yeah mine like to attack the darn thing, then I have a few that want to kill the big weed eater and lawnmower too! Funny story, I had two 1/2 sisters. They decided there was only room for one of them but I told them they had better get along. So for the most part they ignored each other, except when they came into heat then all bets were off! One time, they started to fight and I yell and grabbed the vacuum hose, well it popped on as I swung at their heads! They split up like I had hit them with a hot shot. They never had another fight after that, and they also went out of their way to swing far, far away from the evil vacuum! They both lived to be old dogs and never lost their respect for the VACUUM CLEANER! Anja ----- Original Message ----- From: Grace Eaton Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 1:03 AM To: Anja_Heibloem-Stroud@xxxxxxx; showgsdlistnew; MarcatoGSDJackie Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] What is Fear? I agree. These are good examples of why socialization is key to the overall soundness of any dog. Genetics play an important role but so does socilization. btw, what is it with the vacuum cleaners???? Geez, two of my dogs that took and passed the TT react differently to it. One of them wants to aviod the monster vacuum at all costs, the other goes up to it and bites it and trys to take it away form me! Both of them were introduced to it the same way. starting it at a distance and working my way towards them. Crazy dogs! Grace Anja Heibloem-Stroud <Anja_Heibloem-Stroud@xxxxxxx> wrote: My dogs tend to be ass..... and aren't really afraid of much! BUT when confronted with a pissed off bull they are afraid. If they get in trouble (mostly with me!) and I raise my voice they all tend to hide (my kids use too, but now they just laugh at me!) So is this fear? I've had totally sound dogs blow the temperament test, and total idiots pass with flying colors! Fear tends to be a instinct type of thing, like Jackie and her spiders. Something that at one point in a dogs life (not something that we did, more like a genetic instinct) was dangerous and fear/ instinct said time to break for the hills! I think were fear becomes uncontrollable then it is a problem. Fire is a good example, living where I do fire can consume my place in a heartbeat, yet I'm not afraid of it, just of what it means. Horses tend to be fearful animals, run like hell when a leaf falls yet I've seen them kick to snot a challenging dog. Dogs not given a chance to get used to life will be afraid, not b ecause they genetically nuts, but because they were not given a opportunity to experience that particular thing. Vacuum cleaner is a good example, pups who first hear it are cautious, and if allowed to investigate on their own soon couldn't care less. Yet if you take the same pup and run him over with the vacuum he will be scared and may continue being scared of the darn thing. Now there are always exceptions to this, and I find those dogs usually make the good police dog candidate, they enjoy a challenge. I like these type of dogs! BUT they still run from me when I'm mad! Because I AM ALPHA......Haha Anja Anja Heibloem-Stroud www.pet-net.net/hausmekon/ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 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