I like both of these responses. Often a dog with 'ring presence' just grabs you. In general I agree with Mike that we need correct under drive.....more correct flex and power of the rear getting up under and propeling the dog forward .....and follow through. Often that is being hidden by sheer speed and a dog held up by the handler. We also look for correct coupling.......love a good back and middle piece. Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Lindenhill German Shepherds Do you think any will come out and play? ;-) From: "Terry Cochran" <fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Are we allowed I would love to see a male that has the attitude, presence, self confidence that makes you unable to take your eyes off him. One that moves with grace but owns the ring and he knows it. I want to see a stallion of a male that is a total show stopper. Terry From: Lindenhill German Shepherds <lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> 1. Fore Assemblies 2. Correct Under Drive and Follow-Thru 3. Head Pieces From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Maybe rather than name specific dogs.........how about we talk about what er would LIKE to see at the National. What we are hoping to see improvement in. What we think "The Breed Needs"......<G> ----- Original Message -----From: Terry Cochran To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To talk about the dogs we want to see at the national ?? Dogs that we think are select material? Terry ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================