Thank you, Gary. This is exactly the response I was hoping for. You make the best of what you have and apparently successfully. My hat (which hat?) is off to you and your wife. She should actually get the laurels for doing all the work. Lee F. _____ From: gsd0110@xxxxxxx [mailto:gsd0110@xxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 8:20 AM To: lfossland@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] What are we actually breeding for? Lee, My dogs live primarily in the kennel...... but I have a large yard that the dogs are turned out into several times a day. We rotate dogs in the house so each dog gets some time in the house and I play ball and tug with them every day so that each dog gets fun time and feels special. Teresa , my wife, feeds dogs and cleans the kennel in the mornings and helps in the afternoon.... What I am saying is that she does a substancial portion of the work. (I do most of the play.... unfair but it works for me... LOL) Teresa's pet peave and the one fault she can not tolerate is a stupid or schitzo dog. If a dog isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer or has a screw loose she can not live with it. If a dog was the next GV and he was schitzo or not too bright he'd be living at someone else's house. The list of things she can not tolerate includes in appropriate fear response (ie thunderstorm , fireworks, gunfire, wind) and we returned a dog to her breeder years ago because she was just plain stupid. Teresa's reasoning is that these are working dogs. They are guardians, herding dogs, seeing eye dogs, avalanche dogs, cadaver dogs, service dogs, personal protection dogs, and police dogs. What good is a police dog that is on a track when it is storming and runs for the car at the first clap of thunder? That is not to say that the dog shows no fear because fear is an intelligent response to danger. But it is in appropriate for him to cower in fear of anything. It is natural for a dog, seperated from his owner, to have some anxiety but to be completely frazzled to the point where he will not eat or sleep is inappropriate. I have a bitch here for breeding now to Hoss. She was upset when her owner left her; but she hasn't missed a meal... she slept every night.... and she has played ball twice a day every day (except yesterday when it rained cats and dogs)... she comes when she is called and she isn't concerned with the other dogs who hate her...LOL When she has puppies I would not hesitate to recommend her puppies to anyone for any reason.... not to mention the fact that she is a GREAT mover and beautiful... she is a rock. I am sure she will be thrilled when her owner comes to get her but she is not unhappy here. I have German Shepherd Dogs. I don't have Golden Retrievers. Anyone who knows my dogs will tell you that I have dogs who not only look like German Shepherd Dogs they ARE German Shepherd Dogs. Even during good times I show 10- 15 weekends a year... at most 30 days of showing..... the other 335 days a year they live with me. I'd be really embarrassed if someone broke in my house and didn't get attacked by a dog. I want to win at dog shows but I am breeding for German Shepherd Dogs. Gary Lewis Garter German Shepherd Dogs Home of: Lisa of Fran-Jo Anne Isle ROM BOM Ch Yankee of Fran-Jo Anne Isle -----Original Message----- From: Liane Fossland <lfossland@xxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 4:08 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] What are we actually breeding for? Just recently I was entrusted with a show dog to keep for a little while. I felt very honored over the faith people had in me to be in charge of such a valuable dog. First off, I must say that I do have several GS's, although show dogs they have always been house dogs and only go into the kennel (only have one) in case of an urgency. So, here comes this dog, sees the big yard and takes off racing back and forth. Well, I guess it needed to let go and have some fun. It became serious when it had no intention to listen to me and proceeded to take my yard apart bit by bit starting with the furniture pads, the garden hose, the plants, sprinkler heads etc. It actually ran circles around me. You may laugh, but it was not funny after a while. I finally caught it and put it in the kennel from which it barked incessantly for the entire time it was there (several hours). My point is this: I can have a dog that can perform in the show ring but also has manners in a family situation, get along with other dogs, come when called and act decent. Why are we allowing a dog to be strictly a kennel dog that is only to be taken out and put on a leash when it's time to go into the show ring just to return to the kennel again on a leash. No wonder this dog goes nuts when there is too much freedom. It cannot handle it. But is this really what we want? Isn't there a little more to a German Shepherd? I have learned so much from my dogs by interaction and in a home situation. They give you so much more in return than you give them. I would never want to have just a kennel dog. What a waste! JMHO - Lee F. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. 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