At least in Roy Bean's Court there was leadership. he,he, times were rough and action swift. Morgan carolyn mckenna <carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Yikes !!!!! This is indeed scary! Was this voted upon ? If so, are we going to find out exactly who voted for specific actions ? Did anyone instigate legal methods to by-pass the by-laws ? It's beginning to sound much like Roy Bean's court. Carolyn ELG440@xxxxxxx wrote: This weekend I saw the culmination of a very dangerous situation. I do not know the results of Margy's situation, so this is written without knowing how it came out. It is the precedent that worries me. In the GSDCA and the WDA it was decided that if charges are brought, and if they would be prejudicial to the club if sustained, then the person is suspended pending the hearing and decision. This is not only for members, but evidently officers and directors we have elected. That person cannot take part in the discussions or the decisions. In the current situation it was the president of the WDA and the secretary of the GSDCA. In the WDA the proper procedure was followed, the money paid and charges brought. In the GSDCA, no one paid the fee, or filed charges, but the matter went forward anyway. That means if I were to now charge Lew with conducting dog fights, the executive committee would have to find it prejudicial if upheld, and he would be removed as our president until the hearing, and cannot lead the hearing or vote on the charges. This is not only wrong, it is dangerous. And, no, Lew would never conduct dog fights. I used that as an example of a way to remove a sitting president or another officer if you don't like what they are doing. When they impeached President Clinton, he was not removed from office pending the decision. We, the GSDCA and the WDA have now taken a dangerous turn, one that well could end the clubs. If either Margy or Ken decide to sue, it is very possible that a court would enjoin the clubs from functioning until it is decided, another terrible situation. I have no idea what they each intend to do, I doubt they have made up their minds at this time. We need to address this, and we need to amend out by-laws to make it clear what the club should do. We need a way to protect our elected officials from each other, some thing no one ever thought was needed. We also need to return to the limitations on missed meetings. Margy was charged with missing too many meetings. We used to have a limit in the by-laws, but it was taken out. Yet, here she is, being charged with it, when we specifically removed the limit in the past. Perhaps we need to say if you miss two meeting you are removed from the board, or we need to make it clear we are not going to do that. I am writing this to the List so that those who are members of these clubs can consider it carefully when electing new board members. Also, so we can urge caution in the future, and consider these sort of situations if they come up. We need to amend our by-laws if we want to punish certain actions, and to strengthen them to avoid this type of interpretation. I have strong opinions on what was done, and what is going on. But, that is only my opinion. I do not intend to take any action against the clubs, and would not do so. I hope Ken and Margy feel the same, but that is up to them. We, the rest of the club have to work hard to bring into this organization the right people to avoid more of this sort of potential problems in the future. Evan (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. 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