We do get detailed reports on the National, Review, Futurities, etc. I have asked Nadine to send the quarterly financials to the web site to be put up behind the wall. Nadine is very busy right now (she works full time) so I'm not sure when she will get that done. Carolyn - as a Board member, you used to receive that big quarterly report at each Board meeting. Tish In a message dated 8/8/2011 2:04:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Kris is right. Everyone is willing to give up something as long as it does not affect the part THEY want! Many seem willing to throw out the Futurities...many seem to want to close the door for outside dogs coming in to show in a certain Region of the Futurities.....or cut back how many....and I'm never sure how this saves money....<G>....Some don't even think we should have a National!?? * II really think that IF the Board or Show Chair would give a complete open report on exactly where the expenses for the National are.....from sod to seating.....Herding to Rally....Victory Dinners to Hot Dog stands.....entry fees to streaming video....available to the entire membership in a complete and separate report......we could at least have a discussion with some intelligence about where the money went and which National made money or lost money and possibly have some reasonable input. I have never understood why the BIGGEST expense or money maker for our Club does not have a separate and complete detailed Treasury report for us to see. Sure would save arguments....and give us all some idea of where the money goes and where we can cut back......and why. <G> * One thing mentioned periodically is outside Nationals.....I have no problem with it. Thousands go to Europe to watch DAYS of outside venue with no complaining. Yet here....we seem to think sitting in nice temperature controlled bleachers seems to be the REASON some come. Looking around....those bleachers are almost empty at our Nationals now........it might be time to consider Nationals in Central easy to reach areas......with reasonable temperatures and at a reasonable early Fall time of year. A thought.... * If ALL the expenses and income for the Review were made clear and available to us all....we might be able to clearly see the problems and where we are willing to cut back or spend more. * Expenses for all the Parent Club Board meetings should be made available to all of us.....as many are now of the opinion we do not need 19 Board members. NOTHING should be unavailable and open for the membership to see .....from the votes to the costs. We should not have to inquire and look for it buried in an annual report. * In our own Government.....while they argue and discuss our budget .....I am more than positive we might be appalled at exactly where our money is actually being spent and easily see where we could all cut back and could actually spend more for more efficiency. This Club in a much smaller way....but with just about as much interest and passion.......IS our money!!! Right now...most of us bring up points for discussion, or even for a point of argument and really have NO idea how much the last National cost.....nor how much the last Board meeting cost......as compared to the Board meeting before.....or National before....? Lets 'give up' some REAL information and open debate and costs and income and balances for the membership to see quickly and easily. IMO that is one way to solve some of the problems and complaining and misunderstandings...... Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com fk.fasano@xxxxxxxxx writes: There is one pot of gold, well maybe more like silver now, and everyone wants to spend it on their pet projects, without regard for the overall picture. Like I said a mini congress with similar over spending which will drive us into the ground. If I was going to run a company I would first look to see what generates for where my main income. I would preserve that before I did anything else, then look to fix where there are areas of losses to stop them. Correct me if I am wrong but we have lost big money on the past three Nationals. So if we take the money from the futurities, where we do make money and put it in the National it's fixed, right? Wrong. We need to look to stopping the bleeding at our National and not bring the futurities down with the National. Kris not Frank **************************************************************************** ***** This is why I am behind Kris and Frank. I know this is Kris talking but it is so much behind what our problems are, that everyone should read it. I have spoken to Frank, and this is how he thinks too. We need more on our board that understand that while we remain a club for the members, if we don't deal with and handle the finances, there will be no club. If we lose money every year on the national, either fix it, accept it as a loss for the club and plan on it, or stop doing it. We can't just keep looking to make more money. We need to ask, "Why are we losing money, what can be done about it, how can we help, and were are the problems"? Is it too much spending, is it not charging enough, or is it a combination of that? Losing money should not be acceptable. Evan Ginsburg ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. 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