In a message dated 4/16/2006 10:10:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cleary1414@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: My dogs walk right through Welded wire, like it wasn't even there. Ginger you may mean horse or agricultural fence which is usually 12-16 gauge. Chain link usually used for fencing or panels from a home store is 11 1/2 to 12 gauge. I have dogs that unravel it like a sweater, so I needed to learn all about fence! The welded wire we're referring to is either 7-9 lower gauge w/ a tight, usually 1 inch mesh (so nothing like an ear or a piece of a puppy can get pulled through.). In fencing, the lower the number, the stronger the fence. Sounds like the opposite should be true! The panels used for runs today is actually much heavier than the old Mason runs. The welded wire I use for paddocks and perimeter fencing was actually made for security fencing at prisons and airports (you can't get wire/bolt cutters heavy duty enough to cut the welded wire through the small, 1 inch mesh), and I'm told by the manufacturer some Nascar tracks use the same black coated welded wire in front of crowds to keep burning debris from a crash away from spectators. I can believe it. Also, it was important to me that there be no "rough edges" that could scratch/scar a dog. Everything I looked at related to agricultural fencing had sharp spots. The 5 and 6 foot heights of security fencing I had made come from MA in 50 foot lengths and they move the rolls w/ a skid-loader. It's too heavy for the fence installers to lift. Nobody is walking through it:) I went through three installation companies before I found one that would do what I wanted w/ fencing (one was stopped at lunch at a local deli when he had fencing in his truck and asked by another contractor if he'd gotten a "prison job"!). I'm sure they thought I was nuts, but I DO have escape artists and their safety is worth putting up with what installers thought! Kathy three generations of Dual Titled Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================