Pinehillgsds writes: Chain link usually used for fencing or panels from a home store is 11 1/2 to 12 gauge. I have dogs that unravel it like a sweater, so I needed to learn all about fence! The welded wire we're referring to is either 7-9 lower gauge w/ a tight, usually 1 inch mesh (so nothing like an ear or a piece of a puppy can get pulled through). In fencing, the lower the number, the stronger the fence. Sounds like the opposite should be true! The panels used for runs today is actually much heavier than the old Mason runs........ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am going right now and give a big hug and a kiss to my dogs.... because they are sooooo good and well behaved (although I did not think so before I read Kathy's note- hehehehehehehhe). In my almost 40 years with GSD, I have never had a dog rip or get out of one of my Mason Kennel runs - I love them. Early on I did have one dog that tried to bite anything that stuck through the link openings (an ear or a chicken head... well that is another story) but I learned to buy the smaller (one inch) mesh for that rascal and it never happened again. I still have in use all the original Mason Kennels panels that I bought when I first started. Mason is one of the few companies that has maintained its quality through the years. However, I would love to see Kathy's "prison fencing" <G> Dania ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================