[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Weak rears, extreme angles, or cow hocks...?
- From: "Carolyn" <marhaven@xxxxxxx>
- To: <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx>, <MarcatoGSD@xxxxxxx>, <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:36:20 -0800
German Shepherd Dogs can stand four square just like any other Breed...
viewd from the side angle, because of the angle and slope to their croup and
a slope to the topline AND a more angulated rear than any other Breed.....they
do not stand with their hocks and stifle straight up and down.......their hocks
will be angled a bit forward in order for their foot to be directly under the
weight of the hip joint when they stand four square naturally............or they
have to have both rear legs pulled back till the hock is straight, but the feet
will not be under the hip joint and that is still a POSE! Same pose you see
on all other Breeds also.
The GSD is ABOUT ANGLES, front and rear. HOPEFULLY this won't start a
"too extreme" war as you can go to extreme with ANYTHING..even straight hocks!
Doesn't change the facts...... a properly angulated GSD with the shoulder and
rear
matching in angles will stand four square WITH some angulation or angles to the
hock and stifle from the side view. None of this has anything to do with cow
hocks.
Start with a slope to the topline....... a 'zig' to the croup angle, a 'zag' to
the
upper
thigh angle, a 'zig' to the lower stifle angle, and a 'zag' to the hock
angle......you just
won't have perpendicular straight hocks from the side view when standing four
square
naturally. Cow hocks can be seen when moving and don't have to be posed a
certain way to make that judgement. It shows........
Posing them with the usual GSD pose should not cause them to appear cow hocked
either. A dog with a long lower stifle will angle the hock IN at times when
posed
by a handler.....but these dogs are not necessarily cow hocked and many move
clean on coming and going. Dogs with SHORT lower stifles and not much
angulation and tight ligamentation can be cow hocked.
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxx
www.marhaven.com
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> MarcatoGSD@xxxxxxx writes:> I guess I'll have to disagree then. I see the
Germans stacking their dogs > four square all the time for people to show they
have straight parallel > hocks.> Heck, I was told to do it to Strauss to see
if he
could stand properly.> -Jackie Marcato Shepherds
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>> carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx writes:
> First, there can be no such"hock test" on a proper German shepherd
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> I have to agree w/ Jackie on this one. While it's common for a GSD to "self
> stack", one that is put together properly will have no problem standing 4
> square. It's not a German thing or an American thing, (so let's not go
> there!), it's a loose ligamentation/poorly constructed/possibly lower leg
> bones out
> of proportion (too long in stifle?) "thing" when you get a dog who
> can't/won't stand 4 square. We had a FV a few years back (no names) that was
> so
> bad, if
> you watched dead on when he was stacked, you'd see the handler support his
> off side or the poor thing looked like he'd tip over. Sorry...not correct.
> Never did finish....extreme top line and lovely from the side though.
>
> You can find dogs who are incorrect and many have the heart to work through
> it, (i.e. a cow hocked BC, and they DO allow for some of that, however they
> are a lot closer to the ground than our dogs and herd in a totally different
> manner; we have a "border" type, loose eyed dog, they sure don't!) Doesn't
> make it the best function for the job, though... > > Kathy
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