Personally I don't favor the red color. But breeding to a black will always enhance pigment. (Also a bi-color. Izzy is a bi and her pups are ALL very dark black and tans and sables.) When I bred blacks exclusively in the 80s, it seemed that each generation got blacker and shinier. Some shone in the sun like patent leather. Penny in NC The Farm Dog Forever. Some get red with potassium nitrate, but it does brush out. LOL Carolyn ________________________________ From: Sarah Minsk <gsdworkingline@xxxxxxxxx> To: bnbgsds2000@xxxxxxxxx Cc: "Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "ELG440@xxxxxxx" <ELG440@xxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 5:15 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: We have answers, but not from me But not red, huh.Hmm. One breeder told me when she wants to improve pigment (red color) she breeds to black dogs. So, now I am confused!!! Not the first time and won't be the last! How do dogs get so red then versus tan? I can only stay online for a little while as sunset and Yom Kippur is approaching...so please don't be offended if I don't come online again until Sunday. Thanks, Sarah On Sep 13, 2013, at 6:03 PM, Robert Neiman wrote: > If the b/t carries black you may get black > Bob Neiman > Fenton, Mi ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================