You know what Bob, that is total BS and inflammatory.Your certainly not in any position to suggest to anyone to get off their ASSES ,to encourage, discourage or otherwise!! Many have supported the endeavor with their ENTRIES..have you done the same? How many litters and entries have some on the Board nominated and shown in the last 10 years??? I challenge you to compare my futurity marturity entries and litter nominations over the last 10 years to yours and others who have been on the Board while the futurity system has been tanking!! IF I belonged to a regional club, I would not support giving money. Purina funds a significant portion of this event( heaven forbid they should ever withdraw their support)Plus clubs hosting fut/mat events invest more time and money into the show than the PC,( which I understand also gets a portion of the proceeds of the entries) yet a representative of the PC is asking for more??? Throwing more money( patching) a sinking ship( the futurity system) is not the answer. CREATIVE THINKING and fiscal responsibility is the answer. If the system is broke than it needs to be fixed. MANY have suggested innovative ways to fix the system..no one listens. The solution is quite simple and other breed clubs have revamped and made their fut/mat. events successful, perhaps the GSDCA should get smart and immitate the success of others, instead of seeking handouts from regional clubs many of which are struggling. C ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Neiman" <bnbgsds2000@xxxxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, ELG440@xxxxxxx Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 4:11:54 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: We don't need no stinkin donation Actually it was sent by an individual but was Board approved. Maybe certain people should get off their A***ES . and "encoiurage instead of discourage" the idea. �Julie Degen is a performance person and I believe she's supporting the donation program. Bob Neiman / Walled Lake, Mich. Owner Barkalot's Felonious Assault AKA Brat and the other half of B'N'B Breeder/owner of UKC GR Ch.B'N'B-Barkalot's Cherish RN Co-owner of UKC�ChSandyCreek-B'N'B-WC's Christmas Star AKA Echo Co-owner of Ketlyn's Black Widow Proud member of the GSDC of Am. since 1996 Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone. � --- On Mon, 2/28/11, ELG440@xxxxxxx <ELG440@xxxxxxx> wrote: From: ELG440@xxxxxxx <ELG440@xxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] We don't need no stinkin donation To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 4:23 PM In a message dated 2/28/11 8:15:30 AM Pacific Standard Time,� sallyhayden5@xxxxxxxxx writes: I almost� laughed(cried) when I saw a request for the clubs to donate money for the� futurities-at the triangle I talked to a board member about how lot of� regional� clubs desperately needed help from the Pc in order to� keep functioning. I guess I should not be surprised but I� am I saw it as a suggestion from one person. I felt it was a bad idea, but� since it didn't come from our board, just chalked it up to another idea.� A� better one is for every member to send $100.00 to me. It would help support my� law office and I could throw a Christmas party this year. You could all� come. We have a board of directors to manage our club. They will manage the� finances, and each regional club does the same. If anyone should be supporting� the other, the parent club should help the regional clubs. We put on the shows,� promote our breed, work when it is needed for the parent club, and are the� backbone of our breed.� While I can appreciate as much as anyone a request� for money, the latest approach is to work for food. Work for money too. That goes for everyone, every club, our parent club,� and even ourselves.� If a program cannot support itself, then maybe it is� time to eliminate it!� Not that there is anything wrong with that. 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