In a message dated 10/14/05 9:03:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pmick@xxxxxxxxx writes: the dogs haven't changed that much....they are just campaigned younger. They certainly are not faster maturing. I was reading this thread, and wondered what the truth was. Then I got to thinking about Dragonslayer, Destiny and Dakota. They were all finished by 16 months old. (As I recall, Dragonslayer was finished by the time of the national, but we counted the points wrong). Dakota and Destiny were 14 months old when Dakota went Reserve Winner's Dog at the national, and Destiny finished by going Winner's Bitch at that show, and number two Select. That was 1982. I remember that so well, because Jerry Guzman handled Destiny in the class and I showed her to the Select title. It was twenty years later when Mr. Guzman again took one of our bitches, Chimes, to Select I plan to use him every twenty years. It seems to work well tha way. So, from my memory, (which may or may not be correct) 23 years ago, we were showing the good ones just as young, and they were finishing just as young. It seems we show them when ready. I remember X-tra X-tra in the classes under Joan Fox. He sure looked ready. On the other hand, (I know I need to take more certain positions so I don't get accused of sitting on the fence all the time) I just love it when the national has gone four days and we all love the dogs we are seeing. Then comes Saturday, and it is a different world. I remember when Linda Kury handed me her champion to show on Saturday, and he was so magnificent. I looked around me, and was stunned at how many dogs were that impressive, and it seemed like another sport. There is not much that compares to a mature German shepherd. We do show them young, but they all compete together at that age. We could wait, but how many of us can have so many dogs that we can enjoy the sport and yet wait years to show our best? I see nothing wrong with campaigning them when we feel it is right, and then watching them mature, and showing them as Specials. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Evan _Asgard German Shepherds_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================