Ok, buy from breeders with track records, go through handlers. What about the first time breeder who happens to get it right. Not that I have 3 champions, I don't know yet. But all were first time breeders at one time. How did they sell their show stock? Would a first time breeder go to more venerated breeders to help sell the pups? That is what I will be doing when I decide who to sell as show stock, but is that the best way to sell show stock? sheila <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: I have come on this thread a bit late and perhaps this is a spin off of the original thread..but Barbara poses a very good question who do new people buy dogs from and why would you buy from someone without a proven track record of success? Actually I heard this was a topic of discussion at a show a couple of weeks ago. The point was made that now days people don't contact established successful breeders as they did years ago, but buy prospects from those who haven't proven their success. Of course even dogs from successful breeders, sometimes dogs don't pan out..but to me you would certainly increase your chances of getting a winner by going that route. Also I would like to pose this question..why do people buy dogs through handlers and not buy contacting the breeder directly? I have had people personally say to me " I asked my handler to find me a dog..why couldn't he find me one as good as you sold this person." Simple answer..."you didn't' contact me." Barbara states to ask questions..read what you get your hands on. Learn how to interpret the stats in the Red Book..not just read the articles. Act confident..be confident...just because you are new doesn't mean you need to be "sheepish." When Steve and I decided to stay in GSD's we decided to breed to the best dog we could afford to breed to and to acquire a couple of well bred brood bitches. I contacted Barbara, the Ford's and others, and bred to their dogs...sometimes it worked..sometimes it didn't..but that is dog breeding. I didn't know them..they didn't know me..but I wasn't afraid to talk to them and ask questions and LEARN! Listening, learning and watching people that are successful is the best tool for success and learn to imitate that success.Christine Grainger > [Original Message] > From: Barbara or DTA Amidon > To: > Date: 4/10/2006 12:19:08 PM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: why people don't stay > > I have a question who are these new people buying their dogs from????Dont the breeders guide them??My first shepherd was from a breeder who advised me to join the local GS club in Miami..While she did not show or mentor me after that..I joined the club went to meetings and LEARNED..Read books etc..Helped out at the shows..I never felt left out or stupid,,I met the handlers and exhibitors coming to the Florida circuit..Also the Judges at the dinners where you can speak to them and ask questions...SOOOO why dont the new people do the same???By helping out they will feel part of the SPORT...Experience is the best teacher..Barbara Amidon PS by reading and watching you will be amazed at what you can learn > > http://www.geocities.com/amberkennel > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2006. 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