In a message dated 11/5/2005 5:42:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, cccaudiology@xxxxxxxxx writes: I have a quick question.. has a winners dog or winners bitch ever won the breed from the classes at a GSDCA national? 1977. Charo went Grand Victrix from the classes and didn't finish at the show. Like this year it was Rinke that was involved as his dog went Grand Victor, and both Watson and Charo were Scorpio progeny. I saw Tom and Carol McPherson, (Scorpio's owners) today at the show. Also, Ann Schultz' dog Earth Wind and Fire went Grand Victor from Winner's dog. When he went winner's dog I called Ann and told her to get on a plane as I had a feeling about Peggy Douglas judging Specials the next day. She arrived without any luggage, and just a toothbrush in time to see him go GV. Last night we had dinner with the people that had four select males, and the Grand Victrix this year. I think I need to adjust my breeding program. Evan _Asgard German Shepherds_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================