Thanks for the information. I knew it was possible.. anything is possible at a national specialty. But wasnt sure if it happened. I did something very Similar at an Australian Shepherd Specialty (ASCA affiliated) I judged last year. My winners dog came from the bred by exhibitor dog class. When the breed Walked in I had 17 specials. As Im going over them I said, "I think I have lost my winners dog... " Low and behold, there he was, looking the part with the special. Each time I moved him he got better, so I went with my "gut" and carried him to best of winners and the best of breed. G-d knows I pissed off the handler with the number one bitch.. but I later found out he bred her to the dog! :-) (its on the website if you want to see the written critique... http://www.blackhawk-farms.com/web/pdf/ASCASpecialtyCritique.pdf ) Mike ====================== www.BlackHawk-Farms.com Northern California American Saddlebred Horse Association Vice President (Class of 2007) --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================