Evan, That's really wonderful!! Congrats on the success of your dogs!!! I think we should all strive for the same thing...the complete German Shepherd. I have a German working line bitch but I wanted to make sure she was up to standard so I showed her in UKC conformation to a Championship with group placements. Boy, did I love it!! I got hooked on conformation!! Now, I am like...hmm...how can I breed a dog that could do well in the AKC conformation ring! LOL The only thing is that I don't want to "sell out" and just focus on winning in the conformation ring and not still have dogs that can work (by work I mean ScH or herding). I have found that her rally and obedience titles and work in agility (she didn't care for it) didn't really challenge her mentally or physically. I have seen dogs that were timid or noise sensitive still able to get titles in these venues. That's not acceptable to me. These events do not really put mental pressure on the dog and test their nerves and structure like ScH or herding would. I also have a HIC and CGC on her. She is registered for a TC offered later this month by a local GSDCA club. I plan to go for her ScH BH by the end of the year and work on her ScH/IPO 1 title. Healthwise...I got her hips/elbows prelims and she passed both. I need to get her official ones now that she is 2. She has OFA numbers for Shoulders, Cardiac, Thyroid, DM, and Full Dentition. Hence, my dilemma at breeding an older bitch. Part of me wants to breed her now but most of me thinks I should challenge her and see if she is worthy of being bred by sending her through ScH testing. I have not found one other single thing that will test a dog in every way possible than ScH or HGH/Course C work. That much is true. Even the founder of the breed pleaded to keep the GSD a working dog. I want to honor that request. I think there are strengths and weaknesses in all the different bloodlines. I have no problem combining lines to get what I want as the standard is my aim. I bet there are American lines that could do ScH. If anyone knows of any than please let me know!! So, that is where I am at as a newbie....I don't know nothing. Just trying to learn. Sarah On Sep 12, 2013, at 2:34 PM, ELG440@xxxxxxx wrote: > > > > In a message dated 9/12/13 11:14:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > gsdworkingline@xxxxxxxxx writes: > > Well, why not take a top show prospect from your breeding and instead of > sending the dog to a show handler send him/her to a ScH or Herding trainer? > You don't have to do it with every dog you breed. But, by occasionally > working a dog from your breeding program, you will probably discover where > you > are at in terms of structure, health, and temperament. At least, that way, > you will know you are on the right track and dogs from your breeding "could > do it" if time allowed!! *wink* > > > That is a great idea, and I do think some Asgard dogs are in performance > events. I just haven't kept track. And, it is so hard to get a top > conformation prospect, we usually send them to a conformation show home. > > I know some of our dogs do go to great homes and shine in conformation. The > three that come to mind right now are Champion Asgard's Big Deal, Champion > Asgard's Out of Control, and Grand Champion Asgard's Icon. One is dead > and the other two are on the way to Philadelphia. > > I am willing to send dogs to performance events, but we do so little > breeding, that they never seem to get there. I will work on that. > > Also, I did get a herding degree on Select Excellent Patriot and have Kirk > entered in Rally. We have two AOEs so there must have been someone else. > > Old can be fun. I am still waiting for the fun so far. What was I talking > about? > > Evan L. Ginsburg > gsyrfund.com > Asgard German Shepherds > _http://www.asgardgsd.com_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) > Where Type Movement and Temperament come together > > > > > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original > author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any > kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the > Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. 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