Before we start, this is not an advertisement. I have no monetary interest in this dog, nor do I want to cram him down your throats. This is about a German dog I saw so you might want to delete this message if you think you are going to be offended. To make this Show related...he was a world sieger twice and there are American show bitches being bred to him. Several people plan to show his progeny in American shows. While in Texas, I got to go see this guy and lay my hands on him.. Diane Wright went with me and can back me up on what I say. This dog is magnificent in breed type. He is black and red and full coated (he carries for long coat). He has a spectacular head, with beautiful dark almond eyes perfectly placed. His head is all male. There is no mistaking him as a boy. His muzzle and back skull are well proportioned and substantial. While he has a good stop it is not so deep that he looks like he's been hit with a 2 X4. He has black gums and lips and large very white teeth. None of his incisors are worn down. A classic male head. His neck is very long and well arched and blends well into his shoulder assembly. His shoulder blades are long and smoothly laid on. His shoulder blade is angled at about 40-45 degrees. His upper arm is slightly longer than his blade and is set at a good 90-100 degrees from his shoulder blade. He has a nice posternum without being overdone. His forelegs have beautiful oval bone and are straight when viewed from the front. His feet are exceptional. They are large and tight with deep pads, dark nails. His ribs are well sprung. There is nothing slab sided about this dog. His ribs extend to his elbows or slightly below. There are no calluses on his elbows or his hocks. His ribbing goes well back, further than halfway. His loin is short and thick. When you look down on this dog he is broad. His croup is decently long (as long as most dogs I've had my hands on) and slopes at about 15 degrees. Again it is very broad looking down on him. His tail is wonderfully thick and long, filling up your hand and very strong. His thighs are very wide and well muscled. His second thigh is about the same length as his upper thigh and his angles standing (not set up) are adequate. His hocks are average, could be shorter as so many could be! He has absolutely no roach in his back. An iron back behind the withers, yes, but no roach. He is longer than tall, but his length is not in his loin but in his ribbing and croup. This dog is very substantial weighing in around 90-93 lbs and standing about 25-25 1/2 inches at the wither. This is a very powerful dog. He is very light on his feet and easily hopped up on a deck to get his ball. Very athletic. The yard was too small to really see what he had for movement but he definitely has that little jog trot that usually means they can lengthen and shorten their strides as opposed to just taking more steps. He was taking short easy steps with his head up, I'm sure he can drop his head and lengthen his frame, under stepping with tremendous power to allow that beautiful front to open up all the way. my impression was power and athleticism. To be nit-picky, I'd want a longer croup (on most every dog I've ever seen!) a slightly shorter hock (again a universal problem) and a slightly (very slightly) longer second thigh. From the croup forward, he is faultless. His temperament and character are also faultless, he is absolutely aloof but approachable. This is not a Golden Retriever, nor an alligator. He is also just breathtaking in type and presence. I hope they take him out so people can see him. I know he was at the USA sieger show,not competing but was exhibited for people to see. It is worth it if you are in the neighborhood to go see him, contrary to what the woman who is managing him says he is much more than just a dog who farts and sheds. He is way better than his picture Susan Susan w. Sullivan Firethorn Farm German Shepherd Dogs Where Form Follows Function ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================