In a message dated 2/9/12 10:03:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx writes: I do think allowing the highest awards being given to animals out of the standard is problematic considering the mandate and direction of a breed club and I feel the board started in the wrong place. I don't agree with Molly for a different reason. We never should have given a Grand Victor or Grand Victrix to the obedience winner. It should have been Supreme Winner, or Word Alert, Or Universal Receipient, or how about American Sieger, or some such award. We used to use Grand Victor for conformation. We have the Pacific Coast Victor and Victrix. I may suggest the Long Beach Sieger for our BOB at the show. We should come up with a better title for the obedience winner, and save Victor and Victrix for Conformation. Evan Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================