Sue I DO agree with you the show is about entertainment, education , too. You can have neither without keeping interest. Last year in Ft Collins there were glaring huge vacancies in the stands, even for the senior classes....it is the delay, zzzzzzzzzzz. It is more of a problem each year. But this is not the first show to take a LOOOONG time with not so many exhibitors. I can't believe that is would be correct to lay the blame solely at the judges' feet each year? Lets look at time between classes. Let's look at the Amateur futurity and why that is even necessary? It doesn't work on a local level , so why is it necessary for the National level? Lets see where we can cut unnecessary delay. Our entries , and actual participants were AN ALL TIME LOW this year....and still it took FOUR DAYS? I have watched judges zip handlily through classes, and some take awhile...in years past. But the majority of the delay lies OUTSIDE the ring, in between classes, waiting, waiting waiting. Why...anyone have any answers? Seriously As far as judging procedure, if it is not what we think it should be there are many avenues, take it up with the PC, the AKC or just don't vote for that person again. But the public lambasting of Nationals judges has in my opinion gotten worse, with interestingly nothing coming from it., except maybe making a few feel better, heck I don't know.....JMO. I would be more interested in hearing from JUDGES that were there , or have stood in the middle of that big ring, and their ideas on it, rather than people that have never done it. I remember very well in 2005 that was ADMONISHED for publicly thanking Mr Downing for the Select 2 he gave to Sel Ch Azeri , by someone that apparently didn't appreciate his judging. I was asked why would I thank him?????? Funny, I thought it was just good manners to do so. Still think so. Sure didn't expect to get grief for THANKING someone for a Sel 2. Incredible. Kathy Http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com Updated: Oct 20, 2008 ~ HOME OF:: CH. Elvaston's Nations Cup TC, 26 BOBs CH. Victory's Leviathan CH. Garter's E-Male of Fran-Jo Anne Isle WE SUPPORT DRUG AND DYE TESTING On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Susan Madlung <stormygsd@xxxxxxx> wrote: > Respectfully, I am not sure why you are appalled.. every event should be > strong enough to sand up to such scrutiny. this is less of a discussion > about the judges and judging, but a discussion about how to make the process > better for everyone... the exhibitors as well as the spectators.. this is a > SHOW after all and whether we, you or anyone else agrees, a show IS about > entertainment.. > Sue > www.shadowacre.com > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Tank" <rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <inflight@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Cc: <amidon@xxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:59 AM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Unhappy exhibitors > > > Perhaps when Kathaleen and Christine are elected to do intersex, they can >> show us all how it SHOULD be done. I look forward to it. Until then, >> how >> about THANKING our judges for their time, and effort, whether we showed to >> them or not, instead of the constant bashing and complaining that has >> become >> de' rigor on this List , post National??? >> It is in bad taste. Stand in the middle of THAT ring, and then hope you >> are >> treated better that the judges are being treated here. What a complete >> lack >> of class...I am appalled. >> Kathy >> http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com >> Updated: Oct 20, 2008 ~ HOME OF:: >> CH. Elvaston's Nations Cup TC, 26 BOBs >> CH. Victory's Leviathan >> CH. Garter's E-Male of Fran-Jo Anne Isle >> >> WE SUPPORT DRUG AND DYE TESTING >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Kathaleen Strong >> <inflight@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote: >> >> Dear Barbara: >>> >>> Perhaps we may have to bow to your far greater experience; however, I >>> recall >>> watching our Intersex judge evaluate dogs on many occasions in the past >>> 23 >>> years -- there was never a time in my memory that I saw what I saw on >>> Saturday. I have never left intersex judging -- whether as an exhibitor >>> or >>> as a spectator, until this year. I was not exhibiting. >>> >>> >> >> >> ============================================================================ >> POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the >> original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS >> of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author >> AND of the Showgsd-l Management. 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