Hi All; I agree with Paul. My bitch Von Ryan's Monroe had one, and I co owned her with a Veterinarian's wife. We left it alone, never bothered Brinn, when I had her spayed at 8 we took care of it then. I would never put a puppy through unnecessary surgery. I can remember when I was a kid, that they would do the coin thing with babies if they had an outy belly button. Cathy Kelstar Catherine Murch fmurch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================