I should have phrased better evidentally. I have shown and won under Linda Robey and think she is a good judge from my limited experience seeing her. I am speaking in general and saying that it should be ok for all of us to trade information about our experiences under judges...and that judges should be held accountable for their actions, just like the rest of us handlers, breeders etc. ....and that while we need to support our clubs we also need to start supporting only the fair judges. -----Original Message----- From: caggra@xxxxxxx To: ruthgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx; Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: admin@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:24:29 -0400 Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: UPCOMING JUDGE While I agree with you that hurting your club is unfair, I also think that it is absolutely all of our jobs to make situations like what happened in Florida public knowledge. Obviously your club did not know anything about that situation and you decided to have her way beforehand anyway. However, Tom letting everyone know what happened in Florida saves a lot of us time, money, heartache etc. Why would I want to go waste my client's $$ under a judge that is so blatent in her choices. I won't. I have my list - trust me! lol And while I very much agree with Laurie about supporting our Specialty clubs, we also have to make a strong statement to judges that make such decisions. Don't show there. The only way to make our system work is to support the good & fair judges and NOT support the ones that are not doing a good fair job. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Ruth Anderson <ruthgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: admin@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:53:51 -0400 Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: UPCOMING JUDGE Hello Listers all........ I have several problems with this post by Tom Castriota. The German Shepherd Dog Club of Central Massachusetts is a small but very active club. We work very hard to put on a first class dog show every year. It seems to me that this post slamming a judge and naming our club is blatantly unfair to our club. We routinely ask our exhibitors for suggestions for judges for our upcoming shows. Judges are selected a year or so in advance. This judge was highly recommended by one of our regular exhibitors. If an exhibitor does not like the judge, he/she does not have to enter our show. It is grossly unfair to publicly slam the judge and by default, the club that has assigned that person to judge. I have not shown any dogs in breed or obedience for years and do not have any personal axes to grind. If someone has an ax to grind with a judge, do not try and destroy another club's event to get even. List members, please read Tom's post and take it for what it is. A very Nasty attack on a judge and by default, our dog club and upcoming show. Ruth Anderson Show secretary and corresponding secretary for the German Shepherd Dog Club of Central Massachusetts. ----- Original Message ----- From: <TCYPRESS@xxxxxxx> To: <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:51 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] UPCOMING JUDGE > I DONT USUALLY SAY TOO MUCH ABOUT A JUDGE UNLESS THEY ARE BLATANTLY BAD.I > MENTIONED TO THE LIST ON THE FLA CIRCUIT A JUDGE GIVING A CLASS TO A YOUNG DOG > AFTER SPOOKING 4X AND THEN GIVING IT THE POINTS.YOU PEOPLE TALK ABOUT OUR > STANDARD AND THE ILLUSTRATION HERE'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE WHY IT MEANS NOTHING TO > THESE PEOPLE WHO KEEP PUTTING UP A POPULAR HANDLERS DOGS AND INSULTING US AT THE > SAME TIME.AFTER THAT DAYS SPECTACLE THE SPECTATORS THAT WERE THERE DIDNT > RETURN THE REST OF THE WEEK OUT OF DISGUST. > THIS PERSON IS MS.L. ROBEY WHO IS JUDGING CENT. MASS GSDC.I CANT BELIEVE THIS > IS HAPPENING.WHAT ARE PEOPLE THINKING OR ARE THEY?IM NOT TRYING TO HURT > ANYONE HERE BUT IVE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS CRAP.THESE PLEASANT CIRCUITS HAVE BEEN > RUINED FROM FLA TO THE VERMONT CIRRCUIT IT HAS BEEN A SHAM.AND YOU WONDER WHY THE > ENTRIES ARE SO BAD.YOU PEOPLE ARE BICKERING CONSTANTLY OVER EVERYTHING ON THIS > LIST BUT LET THE IMPORTANT FACTS AND INFO. GET BY.WHATS NEXT?? I CANT WAIT > FOR THE IDIOTS WHO DO THIS OUTDO THEMSELVES. > TOM > > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 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ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================