I can't believe I read that presentation of his, and I can understand how some can be taken in by him. He would have us believe that he is performing a service to buyers providing an alternative to puppy mills and back yard breeders, but it appears that is exactly where he gets his puppies from. Even if the people he deals with are small breeders (as he alludes to) and he does seem to have a very nice guarantee and mentions all the puppies have complete physicals, etc. I see no mention that those breeders do the necessary breed health tests for their particular breed, such as OFA, DNA testing for tests that are available. He only mentions that some sires are DNA'd but that has nothing to do with Optigen or other organizations such as that. So it seems to me that he gets his puppies from the same breeders he purports to protect puppy buyers from. It appears that he does fill the need for puppies because many of the really good breeders who do all the necessary testing don't seem to breed all that much. And when they do breed then they are called puppy mills by the Fancy LOL. I've seen that all too often on this list, criticisms about a breeder who might have a handful of litters a year and the outcry over that. Back 40 or so years ago all the big breeders had BIG operations and today we would all be calling them millers too. One name that comes to mind is Lloyd Brackett, he bred many litters and I wonder if he were alive today how he might be accepted. There are tons of other breeders in other breeds too who bred a bunch, they had huge facilities and employees, etc. Today we are all too politically correct, heaven forbid someone has more than 2-3 litters a year, or breeds their bitch more than 3 times in her lifetime the are criticized for that too. So where is a buyer to get a WELL BRED dog if the breeders aren't there to supply them. Andrew Hunte is, sad to say, filling a need or he wouldn't be in business. I am not recommending people breed more either so don't go off on that tangent, its just that there is no easy answer to any of this. I think the time to have taken care of Hunte was at the first meeting, I think at this point it might be asking for trouble to try to get him out on some trumped up charge. Unless there is some untruths in his original presentation I have to wonder how it will happen. That's my 2 cents FWIW -- Yvonne www.creekvue.com "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy" James Madison ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================