As far as I am concerned, the bottom line here is 'Know your girls'. There are some that you could NOT have anywhere near another bitch and her pups, but there are others than can co-exist with no problems. I have on a couple of occasions, had bitches whelp within days. The reasons for breeding two girls at almost the same time were varied, but usually because one had missed the time before, and I wanted to get on with things. With my luck, of course, I would either have NO pups or TWO litters. The one time that I had pups four days apart, the first breeding wasn't planned (thanks to my dear husband) <G>, and I hoped that the bitch might not take, as I wanted to breed the other girl one last time and keep something for myself. I wasn't too worried as the older female was notorious for 'four pup litters'. Well, the rest of the story is history. The first girl had her pups on July 5 TEN pups - the female that I kept got 10 points (we are in Canada), three Puppy Groups and a Best Puppy in Show in one weekend, not bad for an unplanned breeding!!! The older female truly outdid herself, also giving me TEN pups - one of which became our BIS Ch. Crystaridge's Hallmark. As it was a summer litter, once they were a few weeks old, I put the moms and pups in two pens that we have under our front sundeck. I would let the girls out in the morning, feed the pups, then let the pups out to romp and play on the front lawn. They would stop for a slurp at whichever mom was handy. The girls had no problem with it at all. When it was time for the babes to go back to their own 'homes', they would automatically go to the pen that was 'theirs'. Worked like a charm. But, as I say, you HAVE to know your girls. As for the boys being around the babes ---- our "Vega" will lay in the Whelping Box when 'mom' has gone out to potty, and take care of the pups, whether they are his or not, until she comes back. Our pups are born in the house (in our Computer Room actually), and once they are old enough to wander around, they can snuggle up to any of the adults that they can find, even if mom is around. I tend to feel really sorry for the kids that go to homes where there are no other dogs. Sylvia Crystaridge German Shepherds http://www.geocities.com/crystaridgegsd/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <LauraEG@xxxxxxx> To: <rivendellp@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 12:58 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Two Bitches? Two Litters? > In a message dated 12/20/2004 12:37:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, > rivendellp@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: > This is a totally new situation for me and I don't want to proceed without > hearing from some of you who might have done this. Thanks. > Pat > We did this several times. We had a mother and daughter whelp litters side > by side. It really worked well, the daughter could not produce enough milk to > feed her 9 pups, mama only had 4 to raise and was able to feed the additional > 9 pups. The daughter was able to help clean and stimulate the pups, just > could only provide enough milk for a snack. We also did something quite unusual, > we could put both mom and daughter in with all 13 pups and EVERYBODY was happy! > > Later, we whelped half sisters, literally side by side at the same time, and > were able to co-mingle pups and moms. But the thing I used to love was > watching our male dogs come and love and nuzzle the babies when mom was outside > taking a break. The males would nuzzle and clean and play with the babies, until > they tried to nurse. At that point the boys would make a hasty retreat. > > That was our experience with two bitches, two litters - hope you enjoy all > that puppy lovin coming! > > Bruce & Laura Gilbert > Chesapeake, VA > Jo-Bar's Shepherds > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================