I'm with you Kay!! One strong correction at the perfect time is without a doubt the best way to train. I don't know how many times I've heard how great my dogs are when they come out of the house and some workman has arrived standing there with a shovel... their eyes are on me... and, when I say... let's go... they don't even sniff him. I train each dog according to what they need, but generally... how I've trained since 1979, still stands. [fancy we both learned correctly the same year! :) Kate Syssoloff Rockannand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kay Springer" <showgsd@xxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, 7 April, 2014 12:01:42 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Training the GSD I guess I am of the old school of training but all this new style of training just doesn't work in my opinion. I have been training dogs since 1979. Started with my first GSD as she was my first big dog and knew I had to do something. For many years I worked as an assistant trainer for an extremely well-known obedience trainer and exhibitor who has given seminars all over the US. She had the largest classes in California . I have put lots of titles on my own dogs from UDs to REs.I am giving this as my background as it means I have worked with many different breeds. Yes, there are some breeds that can be trained using all positive methods but not very many and actually I have never seen this method work with GSDs or many other large breeds. And training with a buckle collar on a large breed just does not work. And I know this next statement will be controversial but I truly believe that one good correction done properly with a pinch is much more effective and humane than constantly yanking a choke or buckle collar. In fact, there are many studies done by vets and chiropractor that back this up and that this type of correction causes less injuries to the dog's neck/spine. I am now attending a class given by the local dog training club as the person I previously trained with has retired from holding classes. There are two Belgian Tervs in the class that only have buckle collars on. The larger male is aggressive and constantly stares at my male with the owner totally oblivious to the situation. Unfortunately the trainer is unaware of the situation so finally I talked to her about it and she did talk to the owner. The dog also breaks his sit/down stays and runs amuck on recalls. The owner just goes to the dog and puts him back to where he should be with no correction. This has been going on for months with no improve. Unfortunately I think the trainer does not want to alienate any of the students so puts up with this. I on the other hand would love to give this dog a strong correction and not with a buckle collar! This said, I do use a lot of positive training and do use lots of food treats/praise for motivation and initial training. But if a dog shows any signs of aggression towards dogs or people, I do not distract the dog and use food! Or if they break a sit or down and I know that they know the command, they do get a physical correction. It has worked for me for many years and guess what, my dogs love me, have lots of spirit and are happy dogs as they know I am the leader of the pack. Kay Springer www.showboatgsd.com Home of GCh Rohan's Reward TC CGC HT RE CDX CHIC ROM "Strider" 80 BOBs #5 & #6 GSD 2009 BOB Eukanuba 2008 & BOS Eukanuba 2009 ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. 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