Dave asked: 2. Does breeding to winners ruin a program? I know, there are some winning dogs that I would not breed to and some that win for reasons I do not understand. And some winning dogs have turned out to have genetic issues that have set us back generations. But, to breed for mediocrity does have its down side. The show, after all, is our showcase, and if knowledgeable judges consistently put up the same dogs and the same lines, should I ignore that in preference to staying the course with my non-winning dogs? I don't know if breeding to winners ruins a breeding program... but I would venture that it ruins the breed. In the article the author talks about going to a big shot (my words) Pointer breeder's kennel & seeing dogs of every size & shape (my words again). The author sounded less than impressed. I'm guessing each of the Pointer variants, the leggy ones, the long bodied ones, etc had their own following & the variants finished under judges appreciating that type of dog. Look at practically any breed of dog, and you'll see dozens of variants in type. Work lines vs show lines is but one example. Within the show lines (and working lines too) there are often dozens of variants. In hunting breeds working dogs aren't as coaty or aren't as big (especially if they're supposed to climb into a boat). For eons dog shows have not been about who has the dog closest to the standard but about which exhibitor matched his entry to the judge's preferences best. IMO, judges justifying their quirks/preferences over the standard is not the way to go if you want to keep a specific breed uniform. As with most things... ymmv (your mileage may vary) ;-) Diane Wright & Cash Thegsdog ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================