I need to jump in here. At the Eukanuba show, it was mentioned that Dermot had been pinched in the mouth by a judge during a mouth exam in a previous show. He shied then. He now is quite "gun shy" about anyone coming near his mouth. It was also hoped that it would be something he would "get over" and it would not continue to occur. He is not a shy dog. Just around his mouth. And, as was seen, he was his good ol' self the whole time. At that level of competition, this could cost him plenty, no matter the reason. It is after all, a DOG SHOW! But hey folks! Blast me or not, but how many times are the GSD shying away from the judge, excuses are made and overlooked. Yes, there ARE definitely true shy/spook dogs, but Dermot isn't one of them. And, there could be legit reasons for it happening in ANY dog. To the outsider, they label a dog a spook or shy. At that level of competition, these dogs really better be nothing short of sound! It's not the lights, crowds and noise. These dogs are used to it! And, if they are not, they have no real business being put to that for a glorious reward. It only hurts them and the ones that show them. B ecause THAT'S what people remember and most people don't care why! The handler gave him a second shot at this, because he really is a good dog! Unfortunately, it was National TV. But, he was OK in the Group ring. But, again, it is a dog show and it's what the judges sees that day! The legitimate shy ones, don't and can't really make it to that level. Ring trained or not! In ANY breed of dog! Everybody has a bad day but, I wouldn't say that Dermot has a temperament problem. But, his issue with his mouth can cost him plenty in the wrong show. Chris K "Do Right and Fear No One" --from the Stephanitz Family Crest ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================