No, no, no, no, no! Don't blame yourself. Dogs are SUPPOSED to be able to run, play, work, (even in dirt and dust!) without dying two hours later. What are we supposed to do, bundle them up in cotton sheeting?????? I'm thinking about a herding trial I attended in July a few years back in DE. HOT, dusty, etc. We had an AM trial and a PM trial and I had 4 dogs entered in both. Did I say HOT???? Two, (a mother/son combo) are particularly tough on sheep so to wear them out, in between trials, I took them indoors to a horse/cattle arena and threw their ball for a while. Did I say DUSTY? There may be contributing factors, what some would call a "trigger", (and I've heard 'em all, stress, dehydration, a bitch in heat, barometric pressure, etc., etc., etc.), but these triggers aren't the REASON a dog died. The genetic makeup had a fatal weakness and the sooner folks stop blaming triggers, and take a HARD and HONEST look at pedigrees, the better off the breed will be. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds In a message dated 1/17/2009 10:10:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, stormy435@xxxxxxx writes: Our first GSD died of what you are describing as toxic gut. The autopsy showed and overwhelming amount of bacteria. Not BAD bacteria, but normal bacteria. The vet at the time gave me a name of ideopathic hemorrhagic GastroEnteritis. Wilhelmina (Willie), 10 months old at the time, and I had spent 1/2 an hour or so throwing and retrieving the frisbee on a lot that a lot of dogs used, a dusty dirty lot and I am assuming Willie picked up a lot of the dust and dirt as I played with her, and dumb me, not knowing a lot about young dogs, probably overdid it. As soon as she got in the back of the car, she threw up a bunch of dirt... that was about 4:30. By 5:30, she was bleeding rectally. At the vets,she was shocking and she was immediately put on IV's and antibiotics. Had to move her to the nighttime ER and took Iv's and all. By 11:30, the vets called and said she didn't make it. So, too young for the hard dirty play, probably dehydration, dirt, bacteria went overload and a very hard lesson learned. Stormy **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================