Yes, that is the exact situation I am referring to. could you imagine a simple blood test to document where the dog is relative to normal as well as other canines. This would be very simple and cheap. M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Bishop" <bliz1998@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 4:18:57 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Toxic Gut Syndrome > From: Lindenhill German Shepherds lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:: <<It is knowledge such as this that is extremely beneficial to the breed and breeders. The more information that we can get out the better. I would caution folks and remind them there is not a genetic test linking gastrol intestinal issues to heredity as of yet. For me, I'm leaning towards a relationship with dehydration in the GSD and GI issues(doc Zoe's post is one of many simmilar situations) I feel the blood supply to the to the GI system is/can be impaired by this condition.>> When we lost Bubba in 2007 the reason was unknown. After describing his symptoms to the list, his breeder and several other GSD people Toxic Gut was one thing that kept leaping out as a possible reason. One thing I either read at http://www.videxgsd.com/gastrointestinal.htm (towards bottom of page) is that in general shepherd have a packed cell volume count (not sure if that's the exact term but it's the number of red blodd cells/mL of blood) that runs on the high end of normal and dehydration makes this number go even higher. Once the number gets to a certain level blood circulation gets compromised, the gut slows down and bacteria takes off like wildfire causing the toxic gut. Not sure if this was mentioned in Doc Zoe's links but wanted to make sure it was put out there also. Sarah RIP James & Sydney _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live�: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_012009 ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================