[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Toxic Gut Syndrome
- From: Joan Fox <campaignersgsd@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: Kathy Tank <rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx>, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:07:22 -0800 (PST)
While I totally agree with the dissemination of this information, I do believe
this violates list rules.
Anyone, that wishes to know the dogs involved has only to ask privately.
I encourage all to do so.
I didn't make the rules but it seems we all agreed to follow them when we
joined.
Joan
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From: Kathy Tank <rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx>
To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: dan-ann@xxxxxxxx; campaignersgsd@xxxxxxxxx; "JANGSD@xxxxxxx"
<jangsd@xxxxxxx>; lnnurmi@xxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 1:58:12 PM
Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Toxic Gut Syndrome
Dissemination of info is important..I applaud this post that does identify
specific lines. IF WE DO NOT DISCLOSE, WE CAN NOT CLEAN IT UP...OR ANY OTHER
ISSUE. Secrecy is the enemy. We are not talking about bad tails, or
dentition or even hips we are talking about an issue (among others) that KILLS
our dogs, many of them young.Â
If we do not share info, we can not ever hope to eradicate or lesson the
instances of the problem...whatever it may be.
There are lines that have serious , serious problems. That is the truth.Â
People need to be INFORMED, so they can make choices...if we have to expose
lines, regardless of how "popular" they are then so be it.   It is wrong
not to disclose, it is criminal.
Information is key, sharing it is vital.
Silence is a killer.
Kathy
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On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:19 AM, <edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I agree with you, Sally. A lot of well known and heavily used dogs and their
progeny are dying at very young ages. but it is kept quiet or the dogs aren't
being  autopsied. Someone bragged to me a few months ago that they had puppies
that went 7 times to a well known dog, that produced torsion in a high number
of his progeny and all the dogs behind him died from it also. Right now, I
don't know where there is a totally torsion free line. Â Maybe it is partly our
food,but I feel that heredity is the main factor. Â I was in this breed 16
years before I got my first intestional torsion and over 20, before I got my
first bloat. The bloat was the son of a bitch that bloated 6 months after he
did and when I talked to the owner of her sire, who had lived past 12 and he
said almost all of his progeny has died of bloat. Both were big, but neither
were deep chested.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sally Hayden" <dan-ann@xxxxxxxx>
To: campaignersgsd@xxxxxxxxx, "JANGSD@xxxxxxx" <jangsd@xxxxxxx>,
lnnurmi@xxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 12:20:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Toxic Gut Syndrome
Sorry Joan - I disagree with you-when it happens to you it is devistating and
 the post contained a lot of research and information that all people can
benifit from whether you agree or not.
sally> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 09:13:40 -0800> From: campaignersgsd@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Toxic Gut Syndrome> To: JANGSD@xxxxxxx;
Lnnurmi@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > This has no place on any list and
should have been sent PRIVATELY.> The dogs and people are very identifiable.>
JMHO.> Joan> > > > ________________________________> From: "JANGSD@xxxxxxx"
<JANGSD@xxxxxxx>> To: Lnnurmi@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday,
January 17, 2009 12:06:51 PM> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Toxic Gut Syndrome> >
Linda,> > Our Louie passed away at the age of 5 from Toxic Gut. Â Here is a
letter I > wrote to Louie's Breeder about what I found out about this terrible
disease:> > Hi,> > Well, after weeks of looking into what happened to Louie and
talking to some> very knowledgeable people, we do feel we have a real good
understanding of> what happened, why it happened and how to "try" to prevent it
from happening> from any of our "Louie"
kids or any of our kids f
 or that matter. Now, it is> for everyone to choice what they will feed and
what supplements they will> use, but this is what we will be doing and the
program we will be following.> > First off, we blame NO one for Louie's death.
It is something that happened> and if we had known what we know now, maybe,
just maybe Louie would still be> with us. But we did not know that there was a
predisposition to Toxic Gut> in his pedigree, we did not understand all the
factors that go into setting> up the gut for this dreadful disease to take hold
of our Louie and lastly to> recognize that when he got sick, that it was
possibly Toxic Gut and what we> could do to try to save him. All we had ever
known of Toxic Gut was that it> could happen to your dog at the vets office and
you would not be able to> save him. That was our limited knowledge of this
dreaded disease. And to> some extend that is true. I have consulted with our
vets, Linda Arndt (the> Great Dane lady, a
canine Nutrition consult
 ant) and Dr. Krueger.> > There are 3 very important factors that lead to
Louie's death. His> predisposition in his pedigree to Toxic Gut, the lower
quality food he was> on and the absence of probiotics. The root of the problem
we feel was the> lower quality food he was on. Tim feds Purina Dog Chow
(please, we do not> blame Tim, this is what he feeds and he thinks his dogs do
fine on it. AND> we could have demanded that he feed something else.) These
lower quality> foods lend to the accumulation of large amounts of debris in the
intestinal> lining, and thus a GREAT place to grow bacteria. Now, throw in a
move,> different food, and it sets up the immune system to fail to the degree
that> the intestinal bacteria will grow even more rapidly. We had started to>
introduce Louie to a good quality food after his first week with us and had>
started the probiotics as soon as we got him. What I didn't know, was I> should
have doubled or even tripled the amount
that I was giving him, du
 e to> the poor quality diet he was on and the stress of the move. That may
in> itself have saved our Louie. It's kind of like sending in the "good" army>
to fight off the bad guys that was growing like crazy. Not enough good guys>
and the bad guys win. This time they did.> > Now, in Louie's pedigree, we have
found out that Dakota died of TGS as did> his sire Raider. Dakota's brother
Dragonslayer also died of TGS. Dr.> Krueger said all the dogs he lost from
Toxic Gut were Raider and Dakota> kids.> > This is what we are going to do to
try and prevent this from happening to> any of our kids again. Since nutrition
and the use of Probiotics and> digestive enzmes are so important in keeping the
gut in balance, (thus> preventing the bad bacteria to take hold again and cause
bloat or TGS), this> is what we are doing. Now every component to this feed
program has an> important job to do, and is an integral part of keeping the dog
healthy. To> use only part of
this program defeats the
 concept of wholeness and better> health for the dog. This program was
designed by the Great Dane lady to> give our dogs a "fighting" chance. Her
wealth of knowlege is incrediable.> I am giving you her explanations of why we
are using these components. She> of course can say it so much better then I!!!
There are 4 components to> this program. First we are feeding a quality Kibble.
That as seen with> Louie, is very important.> > 1. Good Quality Food ~This is a
list of better quality foods, based on the> ethics of the company, laboratory
tests, guaranteed analysis and Linda's own> feed trials.> > Eagle
1-800-255-5959> Precise 1-800-446-7148> Pinnacle 1 - 800-255-4286> Canidae
1-800-398-1600> Wellness 1- 800-225-0904> PHD (Perfect Healthy Diet)
1-800-320-7062> Innova 1-800-532-7261 (calorie dense so watch amounts on>
puppies)> Back to Basics 1-800-219-2558> Wysong 1-800-748-0188> Flint River
Ranch 1-909-682-5048> Life's Abundance 1 - 609-893-5108> Canidae
1 - 800 -398-1600> Natu
 ral Balance 1-800 - 829-4493> Nature's Recipe - Working Group-Formula
1-800-933-2880> > We are using Eagle:> Eagle Natural 23% protein 12%fat -
weaning, all ages puppies and through> adulthood> Eagle Holistic 24% protein
14% fat - puppies over 10 months - adults> Eagle Original 25% protein 15%fat -
puppies over 10 months - adults> Eagle Senior 26% protein 10% fat - 5 yrs and
older or dogs with weight> problems.> > 2. If you feed a commercial Kibble, our
dog's diet is absent of one> critical nutrient that you must put back into the
diet on a daily basis.> Dietary enzymes are killed during the cooking and
processing of Kibble.> This critical nutrient is missing from all commercial
diets and the absence> of this dietary enzyme has long term effects on the body
resulting in skin> problems (allergies), seizures, orthopedic problems and
suppressed immune> system.see info below.> > Nzymes - Dietary enzymes in the
form of granular (if you have many animals)>
or a chewable pet treat>
 > Why Nzymes ? - because dietary enzymes are in ALL foods, but they are heat>
sensitive and lost in processing/cooking of all commercial foods or making>
home cooked diets. Consequently, if you feed a commercial kibble, your dog> is
lacking essential nutrients (dietary enzymes) that would normally come to> them
through living foods. That means, you must provide these dietary> enzymes to
the diet.> > What do dietary enzymes like the Nzymes do?> > Nzymes provide the
body with the right nutrients to allow the body to make> the chemicals
necessary for the body to detoxify and repair itself. By doing> so,> Nzymes is
a natural anti-inflammatory, it helps prevent allergic reactions,> seizures,
vaccine reactions, cleans residual toxins from the system due to> medicines,
flea and parasite preparations. Nzymes boost the immune system,> help to stop
excessive shedding, and ear infections, bladder infections,> yeast infection,
hotspots and speeds healing time from
injury, surgery> (blo
 at/c-sections) and recovery time from anesthesia .> > Nzymes a natural
anti-inflammatory, therefore are beneficial for arthritis> pain in joints on
old and young growing puppies (HOD, OCD, Pano) and other> orthopedic injuries
or diseases such as ACL, Hip Dysplasia and Wobblers). If> one wants to avoid
some of the risky arthritis medications on the market> (Rimadyl), Nzymes are a
great alternative to this treatment. Nzymes are> nutrients from foods so do not
conflict with your diet or any medications.> Linda has used the Nzymes for 16
years for her animals and has take the> human product for 11years and have seen
remarkable changes in her health.> We have seen amazing results in our dogs in
only a short time with the> Nzymes. Jerry said he has never seen O.B. look so
good and Candi "was" the> pickiest eater in the WORLD, is now eating EVERY meal
with relish!!!> > By incorporating Nzymes into the diet, you are putting back
the "living> component"> into
the modern processed/coo
 ked diets which gives the body the tools it> needs for repair and good
health.> > Here is their website; Biopet Nzymes for Dogs and Cats>
_http://www.nzymes.com/_ (http://www.nzymes.com/) > > Call and talk to Stan at
Nzymes, he is a wonderful and caring man,> and he will provide you with
assistance for your particular problem.> 877- 816- 6500 - 8:00-6:00 PST> > 3.
BacPakPlus Fortified /w Yucca> > BakPak Plus is the strongest probiotics on the
market today.> BacPakPlus-Fortified is 6 beneficial bacteria's, digestive
enzymes and> yucca. Some of the bacterias in this product is microencapsulated
to be> released in the lower intestine for tough to handle intestinal problems
such> as IBD, Giardia protozoa, bacterial infection, stress or bloat recovery,>
loose stool, Parvo etc. When a dog is on antibiotics, they MUST be on>
Probiotics at the same time and continue after, to replenish the intestinal>
flora of the gut. Otherwise you will get loose stools and
opportunistic bad> bacte
 ria, such as staph, or yeast/fungus can start to flourish in the gut.> > One
pound lasts for many months and it is not cost prohibitive and the> benefits>
are well worth the use. Breeds that are prone to Bloat/Torsion need> probiotic>
cultures in their diet to help keep the pH balance where it should be as> well
as help boost the immune system.> To Order: 800 - 872-0073> > Vitamin C> Use
1000mg daily of Ascorbic Acid.> If using Ester C only use 500 mg.> > DO NOT USE
HOT OR WARM WATER ON YOUR KIBBLE, IT WILL DESTROY THE INTEGRITY OF > THE YOGURT
LIKE CULTURES AND VITAMIN/MINERALS ON THE FOOD. USE TEPID WATER.> > 4. OXY-
DROPS Oxy-drops are a safe, stable, inorganic, liquid compound> that has
demonstrated efficacy as a bactericidal, fungicidal and virucidal> agent.
Oxy-drops are important for animals that are prone to bloat. If the> bloating
is caused by systemic fungus (Leaky Gut Syndrome) or pathogenic> bacteria
(Toxic Gut Syndrome), Oxydrops will help
keep these in check as
 > well as help maintain the correct pH of the gut.> > Oxy-drops enhances the
immune system and second it releases slowly and> oxidizes, cleaning toxins from
the body. Oxy-drops acts on the organism at> cellular level with no unwanted
side effects. The best use of Oxydrops is to> mix according to instructions and
pour over the dogs food twice daily.> Oxy-drops have many other applications,
in a diluted form. For other uses> see the websites below.> >
_http://www.nzymes.com/product-oxydrops.htm_ >
(http://www.nzymes.com/product-oxydrops.htm) > > So the "prevention" program we
decided on was a good quality food, Nzymes,> BakPak Plus, and Oxi-drops. When
you dog is traveling or under stress,> double your nzymes and probiotics. What
may have also saved Louie that> night was the Oxy-drops. We had them, but did
not know of their usefulness> at that time. When we ordered our Nzymes we got
the Oxy-drops free. They> were sitting on my micro wave. I had no idea
that they might have hel
 ped> him. We could have administered the Oxy-drops rectally and maybe, it
could> have helped him. If you decide to use Oxy-drops, Stan will send you>
instructions on use when it is a crisis situation.> > Now, for the next step.
If mother nature decides that she will prevail and> our preventative measures
have failed this is what needs to be done. If you> suspect the dog is just "not
right" give him some Metranidazol orally RIGHT> NOW!!!! The dosage is 500 mgm
per 15 lbs body weight. Any bloody diarrhea,> or vomiting (vomiting more then
say twice), even tho the dog looks good> should send you to the vet. If an
x-ray shows any gas accumulation...operate > NOW>>>>>>>>ask questions later. IV
SHOULD BE STARTED and Met. given > intravenously. Oral Met. is probaly not
going to be enough. You can check with your vet > and see if they have the
liquid form. If not, I> am contacting a company that may carry it. Your vet
should stock it and you> should have some
to take with you when tr
 aveling. So if you have an> emergency on the road, you will have it if the
vet you end up at does not.> Maybe with some luck you may be able to save the
dog.> > But we are all hoping that with using a good quality food, using the>
probiotics RELIGIOUSLY (and doubling during periods of stress), using the>
Nzymes and the Oxy-drops, we will never see TGS again. But in case, we> will
have lots of Met. tablets and liquid handy.> > Take care,> > Janet & Jerry> >
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