It's alwasy a good idea to know enough about your subject and have enough experience to know what you should and should not take. That comes only with experience. Not weeks or months of it - but years of it. Novices always want to say that people do not want to help them but usually it is because they come across the way this girl does - like she already knows more than anyone else and MUST be right. You were down here at our shows a few years ago whe you were farily new to showing and were at my house at the party our club hosted if my memory is correct. I believe most everyone you met there was friendly and helpful to you but you treated everyone with respect as far as i could see.That is not how she is handling her quest for information. It is more like she is seeking ammunition with which to fight those with decades more experience in this breed than she will probably ever have. No one has time or patience for people like that so she just needs to change her approach if she is truly seeking information from experienced people. Otherwise she can just go on believeing what she believes and she'll be out of this breed before long anyway. It's a tough breed to be in for a lot of reasons and you have to love it, believe in it and learn why it is what it is and what makes it so amazingly unique. Or you won't stay. Even people in different venues are novices in whatever new venue they enter. there is always something to be learned in this breed. But you have to be open to learning. She does not come across that way. lynda Gene Workman Lynda Bragg-Workman www.falkrigiashepherds.com www.thecraftywoodchuck.com Appaloosa Acres - an Equine and Canine facility Old Fella Burke County Animal Rescue - training director "I expect to pass through this world but once. Any good thing, therefore, that I can do or any kindness that I can show to any fellow creature, let me do it now. Let me not defer nor neglect it, for I shall not pass this way again". du Mabillier (1773-1855) -----Original Message----- From: Jackie Short-Nguyen <marcatoshepherds@xxxxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 3:11 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Topic change - was Apology to The List I disagree that she's being smug. Personally, I feel that she's challenging what people are saying. A person can ask for help and advice (and take some of that help and advice) and still disagree with parts of what they're being told. Help and advice is often wanted and needed, but people are only going to take the parts that are useful to them, or, take what's useful at that present time, and use the rest later. And even if somebody ASKS for advice, they are not obligated to take it. It is "food for thought". Not always consumed. 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