Ohhhh come on! You're wrong Evan. The health of this breed is NOT better from "years ago". You must be looking at this from your own little corner. Take in the BIG picture and you will see..... It just blows my mind when I hear a judge/breeder say that in this day. Colleen Donnelly Santanagsd1954@xxxxxx wrote: In a message dated 11/30/04 3:39:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, ELG440@xxxxxxx writes: << Santanagsd1954@xxxxxx writes: > So !!! > .No one can tell me the Health is better!!!! I can and I do. I remember Scorpio, and all the torsion. I remember whole kennels being put down because they discovered everyone had elbows that would not pass. I remember litter being put down because Pen Hipp said they had bad hips. If you ask for only letters about health problems all you will get is health problems in those letters. I remember a judge who sat in juvenile court telling me every kid he saw as a delinquent. I guess so. I just see things better than ever. I talk to breeders, I judge the shows, I attend every national, and to me the breed is better than ever, with a long way to go. But, that's just my opinion. The fact that it is correct should not discourage anyone from saying otherwise. Evan Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ======================================================== >> Evan: Are you saying we have no Bloat/Torsion problems today? That Scorpio was the one and only Shepherd that sired progeny that died of bloat/torsion? That I only hear about Health problems because that is all I am requesting to receive information about is Shepherds with Health problems ?? How many Stud dog owners and breeders are going to discuss their Shepherds Health problems with you at Nationals, Specialty Shows, etc??? Frankly, I doubt very many of them... I am not directing that to you, personally, I am saying very few discuss those problems even with their closest confidants.. If you do not know we have a Very Serious Bloat/Torsion problem today in our Shepherds, I find that absolutely amazing!!! I'm serious!!! I do not recall people having to put down entire litters in the past with bad elbows. That must have been on your watch. When did that start? Seriously, I am very interested. But when breeders have dogs at stud with dysplastic elbows they shouldn't be surprised when some of their progeny are affected with ED. Or, their dogs at Stud have Sires and/or Dams, or siblings, with ED they can very well pass it on . I do know today breeders may have to put down several in a litter due to Mega . That is becoming tragically and increasingly common. A Genetic health problem, practically unknown in early days breedings.. The true and serious problem facing us today as serious breeders, is this: Many of our lines are genetically saturated with particular Health problems. Our Gene Pool is small and does not give us a lot of 'wiggle room'... Therefor we need to be very honest with each other and discuss the problems in our litters, so that we do not double-up on a serious life-threatening health risk. For example: If you know there is Mega in your Stud dog's bloodline and he has produced it, then you must certainly screen every bitch brought to him to be absolutely certain neither she nor her bloodline produces Mega..Eventually and at least, we can hopefully, while not eliminating it, perhaps we can put it on the genetic backburner. By continued vigilance, control it's incidence in a litter. it is a small step forward. This has been my Life's work..The Health of the German Shepherd Breed.. I am dedicated and devoted to it and I recognize it is a deadly problem today and we need to address it and do something about before it is too late. There are many, many who agree with me, and many on this List, who have been devastated with health Issues and tragic events regarding their Beloved Shepherds... and have experienced terrible and sad problems..they hesitate to come forth because of the hell-fire and brimstone that they would endure. So I speak for them, because , to me, I do not care what anyone thinks of me...because ignoring the problems , to me, would be breaking a Sacred Covenant and Devotion, to this, my Beloved German Shepherd Breed. Barb Williams ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 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