[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: To Better The Breed
- From: Colleen Donnelly <gsdsforlife@xxxxxxxx>
- To: Susan Madlung <stormygsd@xxxxxxx>, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 09:39:30 -0500 (EST)
I am NOT attacking you Sue. Stop being silly, look at your last email to me.
Who's attacking who???
AND I DID say in my post that you DID ask that he be brought to you. Read it.
I don't expect you to understand about home visits. At all.
And yes, I did say he is here to stay until a home is found. ??? He's a dog
from a bitch you bred and sold. He's of no consequence to you right? No problem
to you. Now he's my responsibility? Yes, he is. I also told you that there is
no way he is going to to you, he is a house dog now and not stuck in the middle
of a blueberry field on a cement pad guarding the darkness like where he came
from. Like you said, he's not your responsibility is he Sue.
"Why are you on this list"
Because I LOVE my breed. Because I CARE and TEND to my breed. Why are you on
this list?
Colleen Donnelly
Susan Madlung <stormygsd@xxxxxxx> wrote:
I am not sure why you feel a need to attack me, colleen.. I find it
interesting that you feel you are entitled to your opinion, but that I am
not because I don't necessarily agree with you.
I will not respond to any of your comments except the one below..
"Granted Sue, one boy I have here now is from your breeding, and when I told
you, you said to bring him to you, but you do not do home checks so.....ack,
I'm rambling and pissed off. "
The dog you refer to, and feel a need to make insinuations about me over, is
not "from my breeding" but is the result of a breeding done by someone who
bought a bitch from the co-breeder/owner of our X litter - born in 1997 on
my property. The co-breeder took possession of 1/2 of the X litter at 5
weeks and sold these pups as she saw appropriate. Please tell me how or why
I should make home visits on those new owners that I
1) did not sell the dog to 2) did not know of 3) have no control over to
ensure they breed their bitch the way I, or you or anyone else would see
fit?
You felt I should take responsibility for this dog (now in your possession)
that was a) bred by someone I have no idea about b) sold to a family (3rd
in the line of progression from my home)whose actions resulted in the dog
ending up in rescue.. for this you feel **I** am the one responsible??
It seems you neglected to mention that when you contacted me about him, I
asked you to bring him to me, even though he was not my responsibility.. but
no, you were keeping him.
Now it sounds like you believe that anyone who breeds a litter is ultimately
responsible for not only the results of that litter but also responsible for
the grandkids, great grandkids etc of our dogs..
I am glad your work in rescue, I am glad that there are people out there
that are passionate about the wellbeing of all animals, but to try to make
breeders responsible for generations of dogs as well as the actions of the
people in those dogs lives is ridiculous.
You are entitled to your opinions, Colleen, But I still feel you should
concentrate your energies on ridding the world of puppy mills and animal
abuses instead of breeders.
I guess I will echo recent question on this list earlier this week
"Why are you on this list anyway?"
Sue Madlung - Shadowacre Reg'd German Shepherds
http://www.shadowacre.com/jessie.htm
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Colleen Donnelly"
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:29 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: To Better The Breed
> Hi Sue etal,
>
> Firstly, let me apologize to Pam and "the like" for the glomping on of
your thoughts and feelings to mine from Sue. You may feel the same way or
you may not, but it certainly is not fair for someone to group people
together that do not agree with others.
>
> You are wrong Sue....and I would think you would know me better than
this by now, but obviously you do not. That fact makes me truly sad. I do
NOT judge all breeders by the actions of a few ( or many! ) . Breeders/dog
people that truly know me and my mind, know that that is not true.
>
> I believe I said that dogs that are shown should be OFA'd. Prelim's for
young ones and OFA's for adults. And MOST especially be OFA'd for the
Nationals and Specialties....aren't these the dogs some ( read: some ) will
want to breed to? Shall we all put faith in the owner of these dogs to have
them OFA'd? LMAO..... What is the problem with OFA'ing? I hear all the
grumbling about that these things are not perfect.....but it is damn close
and it is all we ( the "we" being the caretakers of this breed....whatever
you perceive that to be ) have. Alot of thought , heart and work went into
the process, why not utilize it?
>
> Where in the heck did I say that "democracy" is old and stale?? Don't
twist it. I said some thoughts are old and stale, and they are. IMO. I also
said fresh air is needed, and it is. IMO. That is NOT a slam on breeders. It
is an outlook. I doubt there is one outlook on anything in life that has
stayed the same.
>
> You said " I for one am sick to death of this maligmnent by those that
sit back and do none of it but feel they have the God given right to judge."
>
> Those that sit back and do none of what??? Breed?? If I
breed...what?.....30 litters am I allowed an opinion? 12 litters? 150
litters? 27 litters? how many litters should I breed before I am allowed an
opinion? Does education and experience count for nothing? It seems so.
>
> You said " why don't you spend your energies on ridding the world of
puppy mills".
>
> Wow. That was your last line and apparently supposed to be a dig. Sad. A
sad and pitiful dig at someone who works with rescue. It sure would be nice
to have the breeders of this province ( B.C.) board a rescue for a bit, or
help with fundraising by donating $20 here and there, donate in some
way.....all we hear is "oh the noise from another dog would upset mine", or
" they will bring in disease", or "I have no room". Nothing from anyone. Not
a frickin dime. Oh, and oh, the best one " that dog could not be from MY
breeding". Granted Sue, one boy I have here now is from your breeding, and
when I told you, you said to bring him to you, but you do not do home checks
so.....ack, I'm rambling and pissed off.
>
> My Christmas wish to Santa is that I am out of a "job"....no more rescue
help needed.
>
> If I don't get that, ( and I know Santa won't grant me that ) then all
BC GSD breeders go to http://members.shaw.ca/gsdrescue and give them some
money. Buy a product, buy tickets for a raffle, sponsor a dog, get together
as a group and buy a years worth of food!!!!! , donate to the Vet directly,
do something to help. Put aside something each month to help!! It's the
right thing to do. K, end of commercial for the rescue.
>
> Colleen Donnelly
>
>
>
>
>
> Susan Madlung wrote:
> Colleen, Pam and the like judge the rest of us by the actions of a few..
>
> the bottom line IS the breeder who makes the choices about which of their
> bitches will be bred to which dogs.. IF the breeders themselves required
> certification proof etc before they coughed over the bucks for a stud fee,
> then the rest would follow without mandatory enforcement.
> not all dogs that are shown are used for breeding for whatever the
reasons..
> those that breed have control over what happens..
>
> You may think that "democracy" is old and stale, Colleen.. but you stand
in
> a crowd of a few..For most, showing, exhibiting is hobby - an expensive
> one - now you want everyone to stay out of it until their dog is 2 and
> OFA'd??? Get real!!
> I for one am sick to death of this malignment by those that sit back and
do
> none of it but feel they have the God given right to judge..
>
> why don't you spend your energies on ridding the world of puppy mills?
> Sue Madlung - Shadowacre Reg'd German Shepherds
> http://www.shadowacre.com/jessie.htm
> Give your dogs the Ultimate Nutritional Support with BiologicVet Nx
> http://www.biologicnr.com/biologicvetnx/
> Contact stormygsd@xxxxxxx for breeder program Information
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To: ;
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> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 3:11 AM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: To Better The Breed
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> >
> > In a message dated 12/6/2005 4:21:31 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > gsdsforlife@xxxxxxxx writes:
> > Pam said "I know of
> > breeders that won't OFA because they are afraid to X-ray but will take
> them
> > in the
> > ring and try for a championship. Sorry but I think that is wrong."
> >
> > Denise ( rikers123 ) said "
> >
> >
> > No, Denise said
> >
> > " Afraid of what ? I don't know of anyone afraid to x-ray. The majority
> of
> > people I know do x-ray before putting big bucks into showing the dogs.
> That's
> > only common sense.
> > Should I not show my dogs because they are not yet of age to be OFA'd ?
> > Sorry, but I think that is wrong. "
> >
> > Denise Groenewald
> > _www.greenwoodshepherds.com_ (http://www.greenwoodshepherds.com/)
> >
> >
> >
> >
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whole development. Such a task requires a sympathetic, dog-loving observer, who
tries as far as possible to enter into the innermost mind of the dog, and who
will know how to short-circuit all his purely human points of view. --Max von
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I have been studying the traits and dispositions of the "lower animals" (so
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