Dee , You are one of the more conscientious breeders. I know breeders that have been in the business for 40 years and don't OFA their dogs because they are afraid too but still put them in the ring and this is what I think is bad. What is the one thing that a Joe Public will ask a breeder ?"Will the puppies have good hips or are the Parents OFA? This is the big concern for the public and rightly so. Pam Swanson Chantilly Shepherds Home of Ch. Chantilly s Holiday Compadre( Holly) Winner's Bitch at 2004 National ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================