In a message dated 12/4/2005 5:42:44 PM Central Standard Time, Pamswan02@xxxxxxx writes: It's a step in the right direction. Pre Limb's are not always conclusive but you certainly have a better chance of knowing what you will end up with. Elbows are just as important. Heart,etc also. I still would like to see all stud dogs be OFA before entering in the ring. I would like to discuss some positive ways we could get this to come about, even if it takes my life time to see some progress here. I don't think there is a need to make anything mandatory. I know I would vote against it. And at home our dogs are ofa's, hips, elbows and heart. So I know what I am talking about. As a breeder you can do whatever you want. It continues to be an issue of education, as hip and elbows problem can't be eliminated by just breeding ofa to ofa. I keep up with the research, science is not there yet. I wish. Imagine if it was mandatory to breed only black and reds? We will miss on LeRoy Brown and The BOSS.......once we start placing limitations, the sky is the limit. Decide what you want to do. Be aware, however, that you will end up with dogs that will not ofa from a breeding stock that is totally ofa. Then you will have to cull (humanely). But you will still be dealing with the problem. If you want a lifetime of not having dogs with hip problems, the only sure thing will be not to have dogs. Ileana ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================