[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Thyroids....just ONE silent culprit
- From: barbara17236@xxxxxxx
- To: marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 08:32:26 -0400 (EDT)
One problem is people who ship or take their bitch to be bred BEFORE she
ovulates. The bitch stalls because she is in a new place, nervous, excited,
whatever, but she stalls and doesn';t get to 5, or takes a month to get to 5.
I never take in a bitch before she reaches 5.
Even bitches who have been to your place before can stall. It is not uncommon
for them to hold out until day 28 or 30 of the cycle until they reach 5.
Barb H - PA
-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: The List <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Ruth Scheubler
<rightdogphoto@xxxxxxxxx>; pinehillgsds <pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Tue, Jul 5, 2011 1:13 am
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Thyroids....just ONE silent culprit
I agree completely Ruth.
s Kathy said......we have seen many bitches come to be bred that never had
heir progesterone
ise into the 3's. Normally once they get to 3.5. they will not slide back
nto the 2's....they spike
p to the normal progesterone numbers......but many many bitches never get past
he 2's...therefore
t is pointless to breed them. They do not ovulate until the progesterone is
t 5 or 5.5.ng.
t is not worth it to have a bitch or a stud for breeding that needs help just
o breed.
Basic breeding 101........bitches that have strong normal seasons, breed easy,
help easy and
ake great care of their pups and don't produce a bucket full of problems.
arolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
ww.Marhaven.com
From: Ruth Scheubler
aybe if we were to only breed bitches/dogs who can breed without medical help,
onceive readily,
eliver naturally and not move mountains to save each pup, we would have a more
eproductively
ealthy breed. I know we can do lots of stuff to get them pregnant, keep them
regnant, keep them
iving - but are we really helping in the long run?
uth
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rom: "Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx" <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx>
ubject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Thyroids....the silent culprit
I agree. I have had several bitches over the years that we had difficulty
etting/keeping pregnant
nd the culprit was that their progesterone levels didn't stay high enough to
aintain the pregnancy.
In each case the bitch was over 5+ years. I learned you can test and then
upplement
rogesterone, but then discovered, with the one line, the sisters were having
he same issues so
ever bothered.
I've heard from my repro guy that GSDs are 'tougher" than other breeds too, but
he reason he says
s that many seem to hang around 2.5 (progesterone). Some owners/vets will get
o 2.5, add 3 or 4
ays (natural breeding)
and then breed and never do any follow up tests. I've had plenty of bitches
go
o 2.3, 2.5, back down
to 2.1 and hang there, so you can see why what works with most other dogs
oesn't always work
w/ GSDs. Moral...keep testing until you get a 5...
Had one gal who wanted her bitch bred, had testing on a Monday, her vet 'felt"
er bitch would be
eady Friday and I'm like "what is he, Kreskin????". I mean seriously....and
he owners need to
educate themselves!!!!!! No excuse w/ a library of info at our fingertips...
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
elebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions
isit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/)
nquestGSD@xxxxxxx writes:
this is the kind of information the fancy needs to be aware of
Ileana *
In a message dated 7/3/2011 12:57:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
howgsd@xxxxxxx writes:
According to my repro vet, thyroid issues are a big problem with why bitches
on't conceive.
he also said that when she attends seminars for repro vets that they are
eeing a lot of
reabsorbtions in all breeds throughout the county for no apparent reason.
nvironmental?
o one seems to know. She also told me from her experience (and she has a
uge all breed
lientele for reproduction services) GSDs have more problems conceiving than
ny other breed
he sees. I know one bitch that Strider was bred to started out with 7 pups.
hen the bitch
eemed to stop growing, the owner had an ultrasound done and the vet could
ee that four were
eing reabsorbed and three were remaining. She gave birth to one dead puppy,
wo live puppies
and the one died a few days later leaving one huge healthy puppy! Two other
riends had their
itches reabsorb puppies recently...one was a GSD one was not. Not good
ews. When I first
started in GSDs in the 80's the average size for a litter was 10 with lots
f 13. I sure don't
see that very much anymore.
ay Springer
ww.showboatgsd.com
On Jul 2, 2011, at 9:30 PM, InquestGSD@xxxxxxx wrote:
I had the most interesting conversation today with a dog person. He >
nsist> the biggest \reproduction
roblem our breed is having has to do with > low> thyroids. It appears low
hyroids are to blame for all
the skin > and coat> problems, allergies (that may not be allergies after
ll), and > troubles for> bitches
etting pregnant, and even behavioral issues.>
Do you agree?
Would you breed a bitch that has thyroid problems?
* Ileana *
Inquest GSD's, Home of :
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