I didn't write this. I, as a newbie, was trying to be SUPPORTIVE of the original poster and for our breed. Grace Elsyd1@xxxxxxx wrote: In a message dated 10/25/2006 2:21:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, zgrace_grace@xxxxxxxxx writes: First, the lack of support... especially those people considered "high" in the breed. I've had much better support from people who, while producing excellent dogs, probably won't ever be a Jim Moses ------------------------------------------ After 30 years in the breed, I have absolutely no interest in getting support from the people who are "high" in the breed. Generally, these nice folks socialize and deal with each other. There are "tiers" of shepherd fanciers, in my opinion, and most of us find the correct level for our dogs and our abilities. The national type people are in a very rarified atmosphere, and the bottom tiers, the beginners, the not very wealthy exhibitors, the casual exhibitors, the snobs, the cliques, the unselfish mentors, etc all have their followers, and most of us stay within the comfort level of our "peers". I have known of very big names being uncommonly kind to lower tier people, and lower tier people who are blatant social climbers, ignoring the friends they made in the beginning of their dog careers, sucking up to the elites, being their errand boys and acolytes, ignoring their former friends, ever seeking a higher position in the GSD world. Many of these are held in great contempt, and frequently are unethical and only want the win, not what is best for their own dogs, let alone the breed. Such is life. Syd SYD MAILBERG 23910 SE 276TH ST MAPLE VALLEY, WA 98038 ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================ Grace Eaton Sirius German Shepherds zgrace_grace@xxxxxxxxx --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================