Sure. And for what I would say, well I would say "Congratulations" just like I do when I get beat by the Aussie or the Beardie.... Actually you lose more than you win at that level and the camaraderie between owners/handlers/judges (again at that level) is just super! Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit http://www.pinehillgsds.com/ In a message dated 1/26/2015 11:02:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Those of you who say "cut them loose" - are you willing to be beat by them in the Group, or in BIS?