In a message dated 12/7/2004 7:31:58 PM Central Standard Time, PAGAIRS@xxxxxxx writes: Wow, that's a really interesting bit of history.....maybe you could tell us > > about those years, Helen. That was before my time and I'm sure many other > listers. Why did the GSDCA have to "shape up"? I agree with Jamie, I've heard rumors about those times but never the true stories. Patty The persons that were involved that started up the whole mess are still alive,so I think it behooves us not to discuss it. The Club was split wide apart ,and all Board meetings had members attending with secret taping devices. Letters from the "Fly on the Wall" were circulated. It was a bad part of our early history,and we were disciplined for it. . No more should be said. We survived it,and built the membership to 6000. Helen Miller Fisher ====================================================== Helen is right. It was a personal problem between two prominant people which totally fractured the GSDC of Los Angeles County, into two warring factions and they were the scheduled Hosting Club for that year's National that was canceled by the AKC.. because of all the upheaval. Passions and opinions ran rampant and all that was accomplished by all of it, was a lot of hurt and hate and the loss of the National. Certainly did Not promote the German Shepherd Breed!!! Everyone eventually recovered and the GSDCA ,with Helen as the President , proudly grew to 6000 members.. Perhaps, after all is said and done, it was , and is, a good lesson for all of us to keep in mind..barb williams ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================