That is why I have said those who enter the Specials class win or lose, don't think too many Selects were ever given. It is mostly, (for you Paul) those who do not enter that want the limits. Paul opines... I don't want limits on Selects...I don't want anyone but the Judge to be responsible for results...and I don't understand what you are saying Evan? I do want more of everything but I want the Selects to equal the description of Select...and that's ALL I have EVER wanted. I want Regular and Special's classes that take 2 weeks to judge... People on "Da List" seem to read but they do not see or understand the words and thoughts laid out in a persons post. As to the National discussion...it has been in the forefront of discussion since we started going in 1983. During that time I have seen the membership and the Board change, tinker, and try to placate the majority of members. I think they have done a pretty fair job, too. You will never be able to please everyone. Many sites will be unfair to some while fair to others. As soon as we find a central spot then people North, South, East, and West will complain it's too far for them to go. It's too hard to get there and too expensive. This is the way it has always been. We can as a club, try and do what the membership thinks to be right. We elect Officers and a Board that attempt to do that every year. Those attempts cannot please everyone but when enough people speak...the PClub will listen. If they don't...vote em out of office. That's how things get accomplished...not bitching and moaning. Paul PS...as to the situation we find ourselves in with the Airlines...we have only ourselves to blame. Between the ARO's and our tirades directed to Airline Employee's; why would any sane carrier want to transport our dogs? We need to be cultivating these businesses rather than condeming them. Evan is right in saying there is no easy answer...but there are those that are better than others. Complaining is not on the top of any list. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================