When I started the outcross I started with a proven female from Germany. It
is easier to bred a female to a good
American male and have more choices here than to bring a male in from
Germany and hope it produces. Things I have done I have bred a German
female to correct a narrow German head :0) I bred a German bitch to an
AKCshow male to clean up a rear. Trust me address has nothing to do with
the quality of he dog. The one thing that has remained costant is the over
all health was amazing in those breeding They live on average to 14.
Terry
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I think Ken's 2 cents is worth a lot more than that! <G>
Many often talk about how the "American bred/ European cross" does not
work or did not work for them. Well
Ya THINK!
Consider that often some breeders go to the German bred dog to correct a
whole lot of problems THEY have in their
own American line that they cannot seem to resolve.....and when things go
'south'....blame the German dog for the
failure....which always amazes me. Evidently it is never the fault of
the line with all the problems they expect to 'cure'.
<G>
Also...many breeders with the problems they are trying to resolve try to
solve it by bringing in German lines that they have
NO IDEA what is good or bad about the background of that dog they used.
ALL lines have some issues. BUT...Not all
dogs from those lines do. Some do carry the problems of the
lines....and some do not. It is lot like a litter where one
parent carries the coat factor, and the other does not. Every pup in the
litter is NOT a carrier....but those that are......well
what do you expect! <G>
IMO a breeder needs to "clean up" the line they are using....or change
direction and get another line of the Breed. Even
that is sometimes pretty difficult.
To go outside to a new line expecting to "clean up" problems you
already have is a waste of years. The reason to go
OUT into another line is to bring in some improvements you need.
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.marhaven.com
*On Behalf Of *Redacted sender "ELG440" for DMARC *Subject:* [ SHOWGSD-L
] There is a big world out there
I do agree with Ken. He had a beautiful male bred off an European dog.
It was not a German dog, just a non-AKC stud dog.
We have developed an amazing and wonderful German shepherd, *American
bred*. We started this trend with Lance, (mixed country), and from there
have improved the breed to where we are today.
The American German shepherd is the best in the world, not only for
temperament, movement and style, but also for health issues and just plain
quality. Can it be improved?, of course. We try to do that with each
litter, and are doing a good job.
We allow other countries to breed to our dogs, and the AKC is open and
free, unlike the SV in Germany, or other countries.
I agree with Ken that we should always consider other dogs from other
countries, but not to replace our dogs, but to improve our lines. Evan
*, tanksr@xxxxxxxxx <tanksr@xxxxxxxxx> writes:*
*You really have to do your homework. If I bred to an American dog and it
just didn't work out does that mean all American dogs are bad? Of course
not. Look at the pedigree not the country in which the dog was born. *
*Just my 2¢*
*Back to lurking. ;-)*
*Ken*
