In a message dated 1/11/2005 7:19:46 PM Central Standard Time, ELG440@xxxxxxx writes: We may have missed the point. I have known Ralph for a long time now, and always felt he has the ability to be one of our top judges. I think he must have meant that the judge on that day fell into the category of stupid or dishonest. I know Ralph does respect a number of judges. Also, before we jump on a messenger, take a deep breath. I have known Chuck for a long time as well, and he was just trying to pass on a thought. One of the funniest people in this sport is Joe Bahari. I loved his comment on watching a judge state, "She is an enemy of out breed." A friend of mine, Manual Alderette was complaining one show about the judge. What a terrible job she was doing, and this went on all during the show. Then when his dog was in Open, she put him up to the class. Without a blink, Manny turned to me and said: "Thank god she got her eye back." Some of these need to be collected and put together in a book. I know Joe has some comments that would take up a chapter. Maybe we can convince Fred to share some with us? We could even include a chapter of weird things that happened at our national. Like the time a handler died during the class and they moved the ring ropes to put the body outside the ring, so the show could go on. Gives new meaning to cutting the ring smaller. Evan I know now that you are no doubt a very good attorney, possibly a great one. Read his post again. No hype. It stands as it is. Much has been said on this list concerning the honesty of this Sport, and its Judges. To me this was an out of line comment for anyone to make, given the present day attitude toward our Judges. Maybe I am just sensitive, as we all should be. Your friend, Randy ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================