Well, I have to say that is not the test Carmen gives, far from it. It sure gets deep! Hallmark German Shepherds 'The Best of Both Worlds' Top American And German Lines www.gsdhallmark.homestead.com/index.html<http://www.gsdhallmark.homesteadcom/index.html> ----- Original Message ----- From: Danannkennel@xxxxxxx<mailto:Danannkennel@xxxxxxx> To: LEWIEB@xxxxxxx<mailto:LEWIEB@xxxxxxx> ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 3:52 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: The temperament test from Carmen In a message dated 11/16/2004 10:43:35 PM Central Standard Time, LEWIEB@xxxxxxx<mailto:LEWIEB@xxxxxxx> writes: The tape and the breed standard do not say that the dog should be touched or handled. +++++++++++++++ Great now I am confused. Am I reading this correctly.?All a judge is supposed to do is walk up to a dog on a loose lead and not touch him? I have never seen this tape and do not have any info in pamphlet form on it. Think maybe the PC should do a mass mailing to every Shepherd judge with details on what should be done Sally The House of Nasdaq ROM Ch's Seiko, Adam & Ex http://danann.netfirms.com<http://danann.netfirms.com/> http://www.freewebs.com/embroiderybysally<http://www.freewebs.com/embroiderybysally> ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For technical or administrative help, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:admin@xxxxxxxxxxx>. VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org<http://www.showgsd.org/> ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================