Send the letter to the AKC reps and TELL them you are forwarding all letters to the judges dept. It is hard to protect 20 letters as not be meaningless. Flood the AKC. - John ----- Original Message ----- From: Peggy<mailto:pmick@xxxxxxxxx> To: HyHope@xxxxxxx<mailto:HyHope@xxxxxxx> Cc: Rbuffdogs@xxxxxxx<mailto:Rbuffdogs@xxxxxxx> ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: The temperament test from Carmen John's right except for one thing. Complaints on the day to the Rep...letters to the rep would be a waste of time. Just write to the Judges' Department at the AKC. Peggy John DeHope wrote: Without looking in the Rules Book I would say that this is an akc PROBLEM. I would say that the AKC would not approve of a judge taking a dog away from the handler. After all, THE AKC says things like " not holding the head if the dog is being measured." " It is not necessary to determine soundness by forcibly raising and dropping front or hindquarters or applying pressure 0n the hock." HERE IS THE PROBLEM ; IF you have any of these problem going on. Do 3 things immediately. - 1. Report the problem to the AKC Repts. 2. SEnd a letter to the AKC 3. STOP SHOWING UNDER THAT JUDGE THAT DAY. IF EVERYONE DID THE SAME THING, CHANGES WOULD TAKE PLACE. TALKING ABOUT A JUDGE DOES VERY LITTLE TO CHANGE ANYTHING. 20 LETTERS TO THE AKC REP AND THEN CC THOSE TO THE THE AKC. THAT SHOWD GET YOU SOME ACTION. - jOHN ``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` ----- Original Message ----- From: Rbuffdogs@xxxxxxx<mailto:Rbuffdogs@xxxxxxx> To: HyHope@xxxxxxx<mailto:HyHope@xxxxxxx> Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 7:03 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: The temperament test from Carmen Hi John, What does the PC or AKC say about a judge actually taking the lead away from the handler? Isn't the handler supposed to have control over his dog at ALL TIMES, and if a judge physically removes the leash from the handler's possession, then he/she has at that point lost control of said dog? I can't imagine why anyone would want to do it, or want to see a dog that would allow it? Inquiring minds... Take care Kathy