I agree, contracts are critical for every business transaction. I've rarely had problems (and never a serious one) when I've had written contracts. That hasn't always been the case when I've trusted someone's word - so I now use a contract even with someone I know and believe I can trust. In this case, Gail's contract would be the one the GSDCA would count on, unless they granted her a variance for her employee's work. Anything they produced should be covered under the same terms as if Gail did it herself. As her agents, if she didn't ensure her own requirements were meant, any legal action that comes against the club from their not producing work under her terms, would probably come back on Gail herself. I would hope that won't happen! BTW - a contract for work produced by a contractor CAN state that the finished product will be owned by the company that hired them. Large corporations and government agencies contract applications that incorporate trade secrets and copyrighted processes. There is NO WAY they would pay someone to develop those, if the contractor then had a right to sell it to someone else! In fact, the contracts usually have some very severe legal penalties if any part of the application goes anywhere it wasn't intended for. Could you imagine the problems we would have if the contractors used by Homeland Defense had the right to sell their products to Iraq or Iran? Once again, it depends on how well the contract with Gail was written! If it was done by someone who knew what they were doing, the club should be within their rights. Janice In a message dated 8/18/2006 6:54:03 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx writes: In a message dated 8/17/2006 11:27:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ELG440@xxxxxxx writes: In a message dated 8/17/2006 7:02:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: In the case of work for hire, if copyright is involved, it is usually owned by the client. You are correct, but the difference between work for which you are hired, and an independent contractor is who owns the process. That and the way taxes are paid are the two differences. Most employees sign an agreement that anything they develop or discover while employed belongs to the employer. As an independent contractor, it is the exact opposite. That often is why some people insist on being an employee and some want to be an independent contractor. Does anyone care about this stuff? Isn't the law a kick? Evan ME! <VBG> Actually, as an independent contractor, I knew, lol, when I asked the question yesterday:)))) Evan clarified it so beautifully though (I was hoping he would and he did!). And in the meantime, it was entertaining to read all of the opinions from those who thought they "knew" and suggestions that we actually "google" to see "what is done". <VBG> Geeze, does that mean when I want an opinion on something of importance, all I need go is "google"? NOT! That's not how I run my business of my personal matters:) NOW, we have Evan's learned legal opinion clearly presented to us; it's clear the items mentioned in the infamous memo should NOT be used, so it will be interesting to see what actions the new editor and board takes to protect the Review and the PC. Also of interest, had the parties involved defined what happened to the work product developed during the course of their relationship upon the termination of their relationship , we wouldn't need this conversation. Guess a lawyer is the best place to go for legal advice after all:) Kathy member GSDCA, DVGSDC three generations of Dual Titled Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================