That would have been the Kish's dog 2005 GV CH Wayside's Honky Tonk Man. Also I believe Bono went 2nd or 3rd at the 2003 National before becoming the 2004 GV. Just shows that the best dogs generally rise to the front of the line. Ernie's show was an exception. Still some great dogs there went to the front of the line. John V In a message dated 5/4/2012 11:21:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: the year after Bono went GV I believe the second dog went GV....can't remember his name...but I'm probally wrong anyway....FB ----- Original Message ----- From: ELG440@xxxxxxx To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 7:45:45 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] The perfect storm This was an excellent definition as to why we do not require conformation champions to get an obedience degree, or a working title in order to go Grand Victor. I found a resonant chord with this post. I have always felt our Grand Victor was an excellent dog, with a perfect day, and the right judge. It sort of all has to come together for it to work. Every year I see three and often four dogs that would have gone GV, had it been another day or another judge. One year I told Dick Jennings, who works with me, that Ernie Loeb was judging the next Special class at the National. Without a moments delay he said: "The last time Ernie judged, in his first cut were the next three Grand Victors." I had to check the records, but he was right. I do understand they were either too young, or it was not their day. For the next three years, it all came together for each of them. It seems that it is seldom that the second or third dog wins the GV the next year. I haven't checked, but maybe someone with a better mind than me, (which is just about everyone), can address that. It sort of is the perfect storm of events to win the HV or the GV trophy. But, it does keep us all trying, doesn't it? Evan L. Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together In a message dated 5/3/12 8:07:46 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, diwri@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: I began herding in 1992 & I've owned, trained, trialled 2 GSDs to their Herding CH and competed at many a National trying to get one of those HV trophies. Haven't done it yet. You train & prepare & hope that one that one day.... you have a run that you & the judge are impressed with. It doesn't always work out. I have a breed CH I'm training now & I hope to make him a DC. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. 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