[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: The old days of breeding.
- From: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx
- To: sallyhayden5 <sallyhayden5@xxxxxxxxx>, blackhawkfarms214 <blackhawkfarms214@xxxxxxxxx>, nancy <nancy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Morton <janandmort@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 02:24:57 +0000 (UTC)
My mentor in protection stated that dogs to don't bite don't eat.... He got rid
of the ones that he considered cowardly lions. Lol. Correctly trained and bred
protection dogs are not for everyone but they certainly are an important part
of our breed Ed
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From: Morton Goldfarb
To: sallyhayden5, nancy, blackhawkfarms214
Cc: showgsd-l
Sent: March 11, 2014 at 7:10 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: The old days of breeding.
"in the old days" and even today it is very important that our Breed can
propagate naturally.
I know when I first started we bred with no testing and only when the female
was ready --mostly determined by her smell and what the vulva looked like and
the males reaction.
When I first went to Germany in the very early years--1973- looking for a male
I was told that a good dog must do 3 things---eat --breed --and bite and if not
he was of no use in a breeding program.
All apply to us here in the USA except the bite the other 2 are still very
important!!!
Morton
MORTON GOLDFARB,M.D. FACS
CEO ENT ASSOCIATES OF ALABAMA PC
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From: Nancy Harper Mulvaney <nancy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: sallyhayden5 <sallyhayden5@xxxxxxxxx>; blackhawkfarms214
<blackhawkfarms214@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tue, Mar 11, 2014 8:47 pm
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: The old days of breeding.
Another thought; I remember, back in the old days, if a male WOULD NOT BREED
a bitch
that was a sign we didn't like and considered it a warning. We wanted and
in many cases
insisted on males exhibiting strong libido; breeding a bitch eagerly was
very important
and essential for the wellbeing of the breed.
Likewise we considered it important to have bitches that "stood, & flagged"
for the male,
conceived large litters easily, and whelped easily for the most part. I
wonder how many
of our frequently used males are almost always collected. I understand, it
is s sometimes
very necessary due to distances etc. however, I hope when a male CAN be
used naturally
this will be the preferred method.
Thoroughbreds Stallions are never collected, the industry
wants to ensure the will and desire for breeding are kept potent. It is
a basic drive, & genetically, that same drive for breeding
is connected to other desirable characteristics found in the character and
temperament
of the species.
Nancy
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From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Sally
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:36 PM
To: blackhawkfarms214@xxxxxxxxx
Cc: showgsd-l GSDList
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: The old days of breeding.
I was always old school also. Natural breedings..never did ultra sounds to
find out if they were pregnant nor exrays right before whelping to find out
how many.. Never felt i want to expose or stress my bitches to the vets
office before whelping. Always had big litters
Now have a breed that is ai'd . Don't like the idea bit if i want a litter
won't have much choice? Times have changed
Sally
> On Mar 11, 2014, at 3:01 PM, blackhawkfarms214
<blackhawkfarms214@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> I had a couple of questions about breeding as it relates today.
> Do you think, we as breeders are "too involved" in the process? Or
> could it possibly be because we were not really involved in the
> earlier days with a lot of pre breeding testing that has caused missed
> pregnancies and smaller litters?
> I am from the school of the bitch came into season. You went to the
> vet and did a VC/BC and waited for the results. We drove or shipped
> the bitch to the stud dog owners place and was bred day 10-12 and
> maybe days 14.. 9 weeks later you had a litter of 10 and most, if not
> all were spoken for by
> 8 weeks of age.
>> We all have seen that mix breed, unspayed female roaming loose in our
> neighborhoods, she eats what she can, shes usually wormy, unthrfty
> yet, each season, she usually free whelps 9-10 puppies under someones
> house and they all live. She hasnt had any vet care, no progesterone,
> no BC or VC.no mycoplasma counts, etc. Yet, she conceives (and whelps)
easily.
>> While I understand the necessity to check to make sure your bitch is
> disease free as possible. Is it possible we are now "too involved"
> with the blood draws, swabbings, etc which may be the reason why I
> have seem to hear about smaller litter numbers and missed conceptions
> Maybe its something that I havent considered.. diet?Environment?. What are
your thoughts?
>> Mike
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