[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: The end of another day

  • From: Robert Neiman <bnbgsds2000@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, ELG440@xxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 03:48:06 -0800 (PST)

I knew that sooner or later we'd hear from Fred especially since we agree on 
the Plaques

Bob Neiman / Walled Lake, Mich. 
Owner Barkalot's Felonious Assault AKA Brat and the other half of B'N'B
Breeder/owner of UKC GR Ch.B'N'B-Barkalot's Cherish RN 
Co-owner of UKC ChSandyCreek-B'N'B-WC's Christmas Star AKA Echo
Co-owner of Ketlyn's Black Widow
Proud member of the GSDC of Am. since 1996
Stand up for what you believe in,
even if you are standing alone.

 

--- On Sat, 1/29/11, ELG440@xxxxxxx <ELG440@xxxxxxx> wrote:


From: ELG440@xxxxxxx <ELG440@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] The end of another day
To: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 8:41 PM


Gayle Taylor is here and I ate with Jack Newton.  Sam Israel is here  with 
his puppy.  Very nice looking puppy. Vivian yelled at me and Sam for  
talking.

I think Ginnie is talking about a conflict with the board meeting date and  
Easter.  Since it is in the by-laws there isnâ??t much that can be done about 
it.  I guess there is a problem that they are having a board meeting on 
the  date of a futurity.  I guess there is a conflict, but I canâ??t figure 
out  
what they are talking about. I am tired and I am not doing anything.  Zoe  
seemed to know when Easter was. For a Jewish, that is interesting.

There is a motion to have the next board meeting by video phone to take  
care of the conflict.  Bart wants to know the technical needs and Pam  
explains it to him.  Frank and Pam do it all the time, it is going to be  
interesting to see if it works.

Jim suggests a practice run before the meeting.  The board seems  energized 
again, and lots of talking.  When they have the meeting it should  be so 
that the members can log on too, and watch it.  No one seems to have  thought 
of that, again, forgetting the little people. I canâ??t complain, they are  
working so hard to get things resolved.

Tish moves the meeting on.  April board meeting is a conference call. 

Carolyn is talking about the 13 club.  It is open to everyone, not  just 
club members. The purpose is to gather information about breed and  
breeding.  
Stormy just told me that Barbara Williams uses this on health  and research 
findings.  People can apply as soon as he dog is past 12 years  old. They 
get a certificate, and then another when the dog passes.

Dania is here too, but standing up now. This is a real ordeal and most of  
our board has been working for two days already.   We do need to let  them 
know how much we appreciate them. The California Clubs has sponsored the  
Casino Night. The room is locked, so I donâ??t know who is going to open it, 
but  
we have three hours to find out.  

Carolyn wants to put the data on the web, but has been denied the chance to 
do that to date.  I can see that as a problem without the permission of  
each owner. You could put a release on the application, but so far it isnâ??t  
being done. So, if the board does allow it, they need to consider the  
legalities. That is why this club should require an attorney on the board at 
all  
times.  I was dissapointed to see that the board does not have anyone with  
a legal background sitting with them now.  I can see it as a real  problem. 
  Tish suggested it be put on the web site and no one is  considering the 
legal release of the information.  Carolyn says she puts a  release on the 
application.

Jimmy talks about longevity and says this is one of our big problems.

Ginnie says the 13 club should be aligned with the health and genetics  
committee.

Stormy is giving her report.  She sent the reports out under the board  
reports.  She is talking about legislative liason.  She says P&P  Manual 
legislation is only mentioned twice.  As we talked earlier, there  wasnâ??t 
as much 
breed specific legislation in the past.

Stormy thinks legislation is as important as any other aspect of our  club. 
We need to take steps now to fight the issues and continue to fight  the 
battle. She wants a legislative committee with members and direct  
involvement.  She wants to tie it to Futuities so that it is higher on the  
priority. 

They are trying to reach Tom Mesdagg is on the phone. Ginnie is here  
talking to Stormy. Bill seems to have a wrong number.  We have Tom on the  
phone. 
2013 is a big undertaking.  He has met a lot with the WDA and  Tish.  He 
has formed a number of committees to deal with it.  He says  there are at 
least 15 committees to deal with it.  He has full commitments  from the WDA, 
Cindy to follow it to the end.

We are now ready to send form letters to get agreements, and to get  
permission from the individuals together so no one person will make  
decisions.  
Tom is going to put out an agenda in 2011 and bring back  reports as to where 
they are, every two months, and in 2012 every month, and in  2013 every two 
weeks.  

Bart wants to know if we have the committee members for the board by  
April.  Or at least know what the committees are.   Each  committee will 
be 
backed by co-chaired so that everyone will be set by  April.  Tom is 
concerned 
that not everyone will be in the for long haul,  But he will keep them 
involved and he sees his job as connection between the  chairs.

Nancy wants to start solicitation to cover expenses.  She will be  
depending on sponsors.  She is concerned that World Trial people will not  
over 
contact with the World Trial people.  She suggested International for  World 
Trial, and centennial with local or German shepherd lovers.  She  wants to 
partner with Tom as quickly as possible.  

Tom has asked for funds from Nike and Champion Nox Fire, who he is going to 
go after.  He is also considering the 501c, and wants the funding to come  
from individuals.  He has identified 50 organizations that he intends to  
approach.  Nancy wants a list and she will give her list to Tom.

Tom says Dean is going to be a major part in this.  Nancy would like  Tom 
with her with a trip to Philadelphia to visit the Chamber of 
Commerce.   Dean 
asked if the WDA will meet with the GSDCA, and evidently not.

There are only about 15 of club members here, so we are outnumbered by the  
board. I wanted to get more, but I guess everyone was concerned about the  
location and costs of this hotel. The food is a bit high, but what is normal 
for  LAX.

USA is not a friendly organization to us.  That is what I wanted to  hear, 
and have been told that they might help us. Evidently they are not going  to 
support the World Trials.  I think they are the major Working Dog club,  so 
it is going to be interesting to see what happens if they try to work 
against  us.

Bart tell Tish she has to be involved, and keep active to make sure it is  
handled correctly.  It is important that we keep the WDA together, and not  
work against them.  Tish is going to try to work with the WDA and show a  
presence.  

Ginnie says it is important to keep the WDA involved if the board  
contributes to their team for this yearsâ?? event.  She is asking to board 
to  give 
something to them. I am not sure who is going to deal with the  conflict.

WE GOT A BREAK.

It gets harder and harder to get everyone back into the chairs.  So,  itâ??s 
up to Carole Moore with the Futurity systems.  She is not asking for  
comments.  There was a recomendation in the past to get rid of the  
plaques.  
There were so many objections she wants to recind the  motion.  Carole moves 
to 
recind the prior motion to not give plaques.   There is a lot of talk about 
how to do that, and so they are going to suggest  that Carole recind her 
prior motion to eliminate the plaques.

There is some discussion and Frank talks about the input over the plaques.  
He is concerned with the expenses, and that is the overriding concern.   
Carole has told me that the Futurity had not lost money, but Frank now says it 
has, and Carole says it did.  

It is tough to get this board to approve anything that costs money. Carole  
has found ways to cut expenses, ask the clubs to donate, and maybe 
eliminate all  placings.   Fred claims the Futurity is important and cut 
some other  
place.  It is the second most important activity of our club. 

Nadine says entries are so small we might want to change the second third  
and fourth to a ribbon.  Bart says the new people love the wood and for new  
people we should give them more. 
Jim talks about waiting to prepare plaques  until we see the entries and 
save that money.   Carole says it can be  done that way, and the person who 
will make them, will wait to make  them.
Dean talks about a number of entries not showing up.  Carole says  the 
returned plaques can be reused year after year. The high gloss lets them  
remove 
the plate and use them over the next year.

Carole has done a great job finding a way to reduce the costs and it sure  
sounds like a good resolution with keeping the plaques for the members.

Carmen says we lost so much money with the free nominations.  No one  has 
said how many entries we would have lost, if you were charging for those  
litters. I wonder how many of the free litters nominated were shown and paid  
entry fees.

The removal of the plaques was reversed.  I had suggested a  certificate to 
be redeemed for the plaques.  Carole didnâ??t react when I  told her, but now 
she is suggesting it. They are now looking at a smaller  plaque.  Carole 
moves to use the smaller plaques.  The same size for  all the classes.  
Again, 
it is a cost issue.   Carole says a  bigger size for Best and Best 
Opposite.  

Jimmie is talking about how important it is to make something special for  
the winners.

The board wants Carole to determine what it will cost for bigger  plaques.  
She thinks it is about $2.00 more a plaqued. She is going to  check it out.

On to Nancy Harper who is reslendent in a bright red jacket.  She is  
talking about a flow chart for the centennial. She is talking about the 
events  
who is going to do seating, rooms and set up, VIPs, and she needs more from 
the  World Trials and what they need.  She wants great prices on room rates  
since we will fill the hotels.  She is talking about a commertive booklet,  
and DVDs.  Carmen will work with the AKC to coordinate it with AKC and  
support.  AKC is open to helping with this. Lew Bunch is approved as the  
fund 
raiser. He is also doing the web site.  The budget is under budget for  the 
web site.  The site has been developed and is ready to go live.   The site 
will have the beginning of the breed from 1913.  There will be  links to 
Ernie 
Loeb, Marie Leary etc. Tom and Vivian Brown has found some papers  from the 
first national.  She is still looking for historic  materials.  Jack Newton 
has some things, and I found some things I have  sent Nancy too.  

There are letters from Marie Leary, and they will be there to be seen at  
the show. They have Reviews from 1913 on up, that will be available. When the 
web site is ready it will be announced and available to the members. The 
domain  name is German shepherd 100 years and German shepherd centennial.    
Everyone is working on products and things to be sold.

Gary has a logo to show us, and Dean is working or promotions and the logo  
is very cool.  There will be a thanks to the military all five  branches.  
They hope to have service dogs from all wars and branches of the  service.  

We are getting films from Washington of films of dogs who have worked in  
all wars, and also awards given to them.  We will add all these films and  
DVDs together with narative. It will be a historical film for all 
time.   Bart 
will have the logo on items for sale at all futuries.  It will make a  
provit of $2,000.00.  The host club will sell them to start promoting 2013  
show.  We got a $10,000 donation from an anonymous donation and two  military 
people sponsored with no cost from our club.

It sounds like it is coming together. This board is working overtime to get 
this done. If it works, it will be a change in the direction of our club 
and our  breed.   They are planning a dinner for 650 people including the  
governor, etc.  

Jimmie wants to know who did the web site. Pam Stosser did it first,  and 
she has taught Lew how to manage it, and so Lew is going to manage it.   
There will be no maintanance cost.  There is a $900 invoice for the initial  
work, and it is below the budget.  The centennial will be with dancing and  a 
great party.  It is going to be figured out how to combine the two events  
and still do something for the conformation dogs.

The next meeting is going to be on the net, so maybe we can all be there. I 
talked to Frank and Tish about making sure the membership can watch. You 
should  see how strong and how hard these folks work.  I have always said if 
you  watched the board you would appreciate how much they do for us.

They approved to pay Pam her costs, and everyone is burned out, and it is  
hard to even get them to vote, but they did.

Tish is giving the report on the WDA meeting in Atlanta.  I am sitting  
next to Dan Yee who is from the WDA.  There is a new WSV show, and it will  
be 
in Austria.  The GSDCA need to authorize the WDA to be involved. The  
GSDCA-WDA needs to approve this and how much to give.  

The board voted to approve it. Nancy opposes and so does Fred  Migliore.  
Now, to decide how much to donate to the WDA.  Carmine says  they discussed 
it and the president of the WDA sent a copy of expenses.   This was a show 
in 
Austria, minimum expense is $13,000.  We are requested  to pay 60%.  

The Univeral Seger has been around a long time sponsored by the SV.   It 
was to identify the breeding stock. This is the first time of a show for this  
group. There have been three regionals.  The nationals for this will be who 
goes to the trial and show.  This is for working and breeding dogs.   The 
dogs will be rated.  

Ken wants to know if team uniforms and the answer is yes, but probably only 
three .  They have asked us to pay $8,400.00.  Carmine does not make a  
recomendation.   He wants to figure out if we can save $51,000 and  then 
come 
back and make a figure that they can afford.  

It has been said it is important for the GSDCA to be seen at the show, but  
no money is allocated.

The WUSV wants a combined team for the world trials in 2011.  USA has  
talked to Tish and others to negotiate with them, and come up with an  
agreement.  It is the logistics on how to do it and who will host it,  etc.  
Tish 
makes it clear that the USa is not a friend of our club.   Now USA wants a 
combined trial.  
Bart didnâ??t know that there were two  clubs from the United States at the 
SV. It has been that way for years.  

I have listened to as much board as I can. They have another half our to  
go, and I have to go set up the tables and make sure the dealers are ready to 
go. So, try to come to a meeting, and to watch on the net if it works.

Thanks for reading.

Evan L.  Ginsburg
Asgard German Shepherds  
http://www.asgardgsd.com/
Where Type Movement and Temperament  come  together 

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