While I do object to puppies of ANY breed finishing their titles, I do hope y'all know that sometimes the puppy is the best dog on the day. In the UK, a puppy can fulfill all the requirements for a championship, but isn't awarded the title until it wins at least one more CC (like our Winners) until after a certain age... proving that it grew up to be as good a dog as it was a puppy. This was proposed here in the USA and people went bananas.........not acceptable at all. I thought that was a big mistake. If the puppy is any good, it ought to be able to win after it's mature...sadly, the majority of people across the board wanted their puppy champions... I've known quite a few dogs that finished from the puppy classes that turned out to be really ugly suckers after they grew up. In the Pembroke Corgi parent club, some years ago, one person won breeder of the year award by finishing a bunch of puppies...not one of them could have finished after they turned a year old because they completely fell apart. Just plain stupid........she faded into obscurity after that because nothing she had bred on. Gee, surprise, surprise! Not to mention that in my mind they probably didn't deserve even their puppy wins...but I, like many others, just stood back and watched.......as those dogs disappeared from the scene. Yuck. I don't think there's anything wrong in requiring a major win after the age of 18 months, regardless of the breed.......but I'm in the vast minority. Needless to say, AKC probably won't propose that again...... Still...a really nice puppy CAN be deserving. and shouldn't be penalized on the day just because it's a puppy. Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: Jessica MacMillan And to paraphrase the judges guidelines: "You are judging the dogs on THAT day" - not what they will look like in the future or what they looked like two weeks ago... I don't want judges of toy breeds predicting what my 9 month old GSD or Dal pup will look like in the future.... Judge them on THAT day! And yes, Dals do have a height disqualification. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================