i have not dealt with the myriad of other disasters afflicting this breed. it gets back to throwing the babies out with the bathwater - not a smart move.>>>> Babies and bathwater a perfect analogy...... We as a breed fancy have made HUGE strides in our Orthopedic improvements, we were at one time in the top ten for most dysplastic and now are what 34, 36? HUGE. This has been done by breeders paying attention and choosing mated pairs carefully. It was not done only by Code signers, because many do not sign the "Code". I am proud of us as a fancy for that. While we are so worried about having a "code" that mandates OFA for breeding dogs, lets remember, genetics is a crap shoot. Also the predisposition for hips and elbows with various degrees of problems have not been established as ONLY genetic...ah wouldn't that be nice? There are environmental and nutritional factors that weigh heavily on it. How do we then demand in a code an "all or nothing " requirement like OFA , when that is only part of the issue? What if a dog has a FCP due to an injury, what about DJD, which in many cases may be a DIRECT RESULT of an OFA misread, a shadow, a bad xray...NOT a problem with said dog....what then? Babies and Bathwater.....so you have an orthopedically perfect animal, that routinely sires or produces mega, bloat, spinal problem, temperament issues, autoimmune problems or gastric or mesenteric torsion........so you go ahead and sign because the dog OFA'd/? How about a dog with say a DJD of an elbow or hip male or female, that has produced NONE of the above named serious problems facing the breed, but you aren't allowed to breed it according to the "code" because it wouldn't pass an OFA? Makes no sense. What about puppies from OFA'd parents and generations before that that are OFA aok, that are dysplastic, even in one hip, but everything else is outstanding....do you NOT breed one outstanding , healthy individual because of it? Nonesense. Look up Dr Jerold Bell,, DVM/ Geneticist, and Exhibitor......he makes total sense if you have had the pleasure of watching or listening to him on his tapes.....you MAY infact breed an individual with an off hip .....to continue your line...you then use the NORMAL progeny from that dog to breed away from the original problem...but maintaining your bloodline . Since he is addressing the issue of show dogs in his lectures, we are also talking about BREED TYPE AND BEAUTY....he as a vet and geneticist would NOT breed an ugly , OFA normal bitch, but would instead rather breed a beautiful sister of said bitch that maybe had an off orthopedic report, take HER normal offspring who are also beautiful and standard for type...and come away from the orthopedic issue that way. There are SO many LIFE THREATENING problems in our breed, that need to be addressed, when we are hearing of baby puppies being put down for mega (and yet breeder continue to use the dogs) when we see DEAD tails bouncing off hocks on young puppies, when we lose yet ANOTHER outstanding individual before even five years to torsion........and these animals producing these problems CONTINUE TO BE USED???? What's wrong with this picture? Babies and Bathwater is right Folks.....we need to put our priorties into prospective . JMO Kathy -- http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com Ch. Elvaston's Nations Cup, TC, OFA 26 BOB/BISS to Date ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================