Actually there were two clubs at the presentation which oppose breed separation, only the third club is seeking separation. The dogs produced by breeders of the two clubs and some of the ones representing the third club are NOT even close to being a separate breed. In fact, I would venture to say that the general public recognizes all these dogs, regardless of the political views of the breeders, as being nothing other than German Shepherd Dogs colored white. Gayle & the Hooligans! http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=6&uid=4294023 - Link to The Hooligans Albums -- Karmasreva@xxxxxxx wrote: <snip> This Spring, the Board listened to a presentation by different factions within the White Shepherd community. One faction wants to stay as is, one wants to become a separate variety, like Rough Collies/ Smooth Collies, and one wants to be released by the Parent Club so they can petition AKC to become a separate breed. I say let them go, let us totally wash our hands of the Whites. They branched off from us years ago, they have truly become a different breed. Conformationally, they don't look like us, they have different genetic problems than us, they work differently from our dogs. They are no longer Gernan Shepherds. Please don't get me wrong. I have several Whites as students. I enjoy them and their owners immensely....they just aren't German Shepherds any longer....and their owners are the ones who told me that. Kelly Malone Karma Performance W ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================