Hi Zoe; What is NOT clear as mud is why the members are not allowed to speak on this issue with a vote?? We never asked for a vote on the DQ issue but we were put in that position anyway. Yet as members and Standard breeders we were never allowed to "finish" this problem with a vote on what we think about allowing the breed separation of these dogs and their owner/ breeders who DO want that? Though small in numbers they are trying to resolve this instead of continuing on promoting a DQ while insisting on being referred to as the Breed that does not allow them. Why would we care how many are members of which group that does not breed according to our Standard anyway? Those who DO breed according to the GSD Standard and are judged by it in the ring should be allowed to vote on this issue. The Board is temporary.... ( sort of ) <G> ( sorry Ed ).....let the MEMBERSHIP DECIDE. The MEMBERS pay dues and who remain for YEARS should be able to have their vote. Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.marhaven.com -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of Doc Zoe Subject: The WHite issue Here is the Score card There are 4 white groups - 2 have banded into a Federation with about 330 members and they DO NOT WANT Separation AWSA wants separation and they have about 135 members BBS wants to be a recognized breed as it is in 90 countries with the FCI since 2003 so their imports can be placed into the BBS breed and not the GSD breed. This is a new Club with about 12 members and 30 imports. Clear as Mud 4 clubs, 3 different agendas